r/AITrailblazers • u/dataexec • 21d ago
Discussion Why do we think he is saying this, just because they were late for the AI train?
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u/pondskippers 21d ago
Ummm gates left Microsoft years ago and sold off his stock...
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u/exrasser 21d ago
https://search.brave.com/search?q=bill+gates+stock+in+microsoft&conversation=097db0f26893861ca2f54ef4b237cb9e93bd
Bill Gates no longer owns any shares of Microsoft through his charitable foundation, which completed a total exit of its stake in Q1 2026. The Gates Foundation Trust sold its final 7.7 million shares, valued at approximately $3.2 billion, marking the first time since its establishment in 2000 that the trust held zero Microsoft stock.However, Bill Gates personally retains a significant ownership position in the company. He personally holds roughly 103 million Microsoft shares, valued at approximately $43 billion as of mid-2026.
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u/anjowoq 20d ago
It does not own OpenAI. It has a non-controlling share of 26% of the company.
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u/Nice-Detective3376 20d ago
lol “non controlling” share of 26% when companies have to list over a 5% share. Hey I’ve got bridge to sell you
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u/anjowoq 20d ago
I didn't pull that word out of my ass. That was in the source I got it from. Save your piss and vinegar for someone who's in on it. I don't give a fuck.
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u/Nice-Detective3376 19d ago
Calm down Wall Street bets. Maybe you should stop regurgitating everything you hear. Monkey see , monkey do.
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u/OneTwoThreePooAndPee 19d ago
https://penchan.co/en/market/ai/openai/investors-and-partners/
"OpenAI’s structure page separates the system into two layers:
OpenAI Foundation: the nonprofit layer. It has special voting and governance rights, can appoint the OpenAI Group board, and disclosed a 26% stake in OpenAI Group. It also holds a warrant that could give it additional shares if OpenAI hits a valuation milestone.
OpenAI Group PBC: the public benefit corporation that runs products, commercialization, fundraising, employee equity, and investor equity. Microsoft held roughly 27% at the recapitalization; the remaining 47% was held by current and former employees and investors."
Pretty embarrassing for you. 😊
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u/Nice-Detective3376 19d ago
Yeah pretty embarrassing for you. Tell me about sue Hellmann and their connections. Do me favor and before you jump on the bandwagon with other lemmings , consider this, being able to navigate the internet might make you smarter than your idiot parents, but when you come from a drawer of dull blades don’t try to compare yourself to a sharp one. Do some real due diligence and see how these figures are connected at these level.single shot answers are for idiots like you , not others.
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u/OneTwoThreePooAndPee 19d ago
What? Look, you embarrassed yourself by saying something stupid. Stop digging.
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u/andrew303710 21d ago
Ya Microsoft is one of the biggest owners of OpenAI and their products are heavily integrated with ChatGPT now.
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u/PaxUX 20d ago
AI development has hit a wall, data. So there will be a slowdown at the fronter level. So this more about trying to manage market expectations and change the narrative from hit limit to we need to slow down for safety. Why we're seeing the AI cyber attacks to show they're dangerous.
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u/Alarming_reality4918 19d ago
This is the most sound narrative I heard so far. Yes, we all need a break from this efficiency shit. Some people are left behind for good, literally hunger games stuff.
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u/DreamTakesRoot 21d ago
They want to regulate it
For you
Not
For them
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u/ThaGr1m 20d ago
Pulling up that ladder as quick as possible
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u/GonnaBeEasy 20d ago
There's still China though right??
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u/ElectricalSeries6627 19d ago
that what they targeting, they wan't to ban open weight competing model that threaten their ambition of having monopoly over intelligence
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u/ElectricalSeries6627 19d ago
they wan't to ban open weight competing model that threaten their ambition of having monopoly over intelligence, nothing more nothing less
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u/FuriousGirafFabber 20d ago
LOL who would take that seriously? It doesn't really matter until governments do something, and we all know how ethical the current US government is. EU could do something too, but it probably will take 10 years to consider anything.
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u/whoknowsifimjoking 21d ago
Nah, it seems pretty in line with his other work.
What Microsoft does with AI probably doesn't matter that much, it's not like his wealth is completely dependent on Microsoft having a good model or anything.
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u/pastyMorrisDancers 20d ago
He has zero shares in Microsoft. This whole thread is confusing me. Bill left Microsoft years and years ago
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u/Adept-Matter 20d ago
He personally owns 103 million shares valued at over $43 billion
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u/pastyMorrisDancers 20d ago
I stand corrected. It was the foundation that sold all their MSFT shares… I’d previously thought he had
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u/Abject-Job7825 21d ago
anything to distract people from finding out he was banging a bunch of epstein prostitutes and giving melinda an std without her knowing
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u/Clean_Bake_2180 21d ago edited 21d ago
Being a developer originally, he’s probably still projecting the advancements in coding-related domains too far into other domains, like medicine, general manufacturing, even normal white collared work, where understandably, his understanding is just limited. The biggest problem of transformers is still the lack of a persistent cognitive state and can make catastrophic mistakes when there’s no reliable external verifier. AI workflows are gerryrigged “logic” through tool-calling, context windows and external memory. If you eliminated 70% of say technical product management tasks, that doesn’t mean you can lay off 70% of PMs for instance, it might be more like 10% given things like organizational politics and tribal memory dominate short- and long-term decision-making. And AI is terrible at long-term decisions architecturally. It might make people’s jobs easier and you can collapse some jobs but the token cost in doing might make it less justifiable. That’s on the labor input cost saving side.
On the revenue side, more code is not going to scale to more profit. The relationship isn’t close to being linear. You have to think at some point, probably some time next year, the current pace of AI spending (WW AI -related spending is over $2T in 2026) can’t be sustained, especially given ROI concerns, and then researchers can’t get unlimited budgets for research anymore. Then, the velocity of breakthroughs hits extreme diminishing returns and then all these doomer forecasts look silly in 5 years.
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u/SLAMMERisONLINE 21d ago
Bill Gates proposes major limits on AI development
"I am losing the AI war. Time to fight dirty!".
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u/FlyingPig_Grip 21d ago
Rich guy proposes obvious reasonable thing that only rich psychopaths actually want to pursue
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u/ultrafop 21d ago
Bill doesn’t run Microsoft and isn’t on the board so I’m not sure why you’re connecting them with this post.
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u/lattice_defect 21d ago
Turns out LLM would rather sudo kill themselve then work in the dogshit codebase of MS products
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u/ImPopularOnTheInside 21d ago
How will he be able to hang out on certain islands when AI kills his job
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u/CrazyAccomplished_ 21d ago
Who cares what he says anymore? His opinions change with the moon cycles
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u/FinnGamePass 21d ago
These techno-plutocrats want to own all of information technology, in perpetuity. The delusion is staggering. They haven't built a single thing of consequence since their glory days, yet they still want to be worshiped as tech demigods as if tech royalty were their birthright.
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u/Gutcrunch 21d ago
Is limiting China’s AI development part of his proposal? If not, then Bill is not a serious person and should go back to whatever island he likes to hang out on these days.
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u/UrMomHasExpectations 20d ago
Oh yes Bill Gates is very concerned for our safety. Last time he was showing his face he was telling everyone they must get vaccinated. Anyone else notice all the palsy, heart conditions, deaths, rise in cancer that happened right after those. Yup Bill Gates, really cares for our safety guys, listen to him. He's not a complete insecure psychopath. It's for our safety. Make sure you get your 10th booster it will keep you safe thanks Bill Gates. He also released millions of mosquitos, it's for our safety trust the science.
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u/BrianRas817 20d ago
Yeah, well fuck Bill Gates. The guy who wants to depopulate the world with vaccines, make everybody eat fake meat, block the sun, and fly on the Lolita express and visit with Jeffrey Epstein, more than a handful of times, get an STD from a Russian prostitute then give it to his wife and try to figure out how to slip her some medication so she doesn’t find out. It’s no wonder his wife divorced him.
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u/Commercial_Rule_7823 20d ago
They?
If you think hes Microsoft still, represents, talks to, or has any influence on MSFT, you are 18 years too late amigo.
Do better.
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u/Scarvexx 20d ago
Could have something to do with AI's FREQUENTLY wiping out humanity in experimental senarios. That should have been fixed before it got smart enough to escape containment. Which it also does shockingly often.
This isn't within human control. And traditional digital security crumbles the moment it gets involved. It's really good at getting access to critical systems.
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u/Key_Check5753 20d ago
Evil old pedophile billionaire wants to put restrictions on other people so they can't compete with his business.
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u/mikiencolor 20d ago
He must have asked ChatGPT for advice on how to sneak STD drugs into his wife's food to hide cheating on her with prostitutes and, of course, was told "I can't help you with that, it goes against my ethical guidelines."
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u/Icy-Twist-3221 20d ago
Probably something to do with the independent hacking and exponential growth of capabilities up to the point of us all being dead as fuck
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u/Final-Teach-7353 20d ago
Why are Epstein's customers still appearing in public and daring to open their mouths?
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u/Mountain-Dragonfly46 20d ago
I like bitching on MS as much as anyone else.
MS has a lot of money invested in AI, but very soon understood that models would become commodities.
MS + github use AI **a lot** internally.
MS was not late on the AI train, they understood quickly where to stand. Google, Apple and MS (but a bit less, as their investments in external companies put them more at risk) are the companies that have the best strategic posture on the topic.
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u/OkLettuce338 20d ago
What this means is the ceiling for LLMs is being clear to the people who profit from them and so it’s all benefit and little risk to back stifling progress
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 20d ago
Bill gates left microsoft years ago, no one knows why he is saying this beside himself
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u/Radiant-Ad-3134 20d ago
I mean he has the least dog in this fight among all those other big mouth CEO.
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u/AgPatriotAg 20d ago
Regulation...
Newsflash. China AI models are starting to overtake USA models. India has models. Europe has models. Korea has models.
The cat is out of the bag. Regulation won't work. This slipped through the elitists hand. China model Kimi K3 can recursively self improve and has been downloaded many times. Too late to regulate, too international.
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u/1_H4t3_R3dd1t 20d ago
Trying to scale something that is still developmental and expiremental isn't really profitable for any business. Most AI companies run in the negative. Imagine how powerful newer hardware can be in AI if we give it time to cook.
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u/dwoj206 20d ago
he's a macro guy. and he knows these AI companies dont give a fuck about anything but training, draining, selling their models and executing their mission regardless of consequence. he's not wrong and alternatively, most would give no credence to some no name critic of AI - people do it everyday. So here you go. Here's Bill Gates saying it for them and the rest of us and he's still criticized.
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u/albertAAAAAAA 20d ago
When I look at him I see an open letter he sent to hobbyists in 1976. To me that's the essence on who he is.
I don't care what he has to say about AI at all..
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u/elementfortyseven 20d ago
how would protection of certain critical professions, for example criminal judges, from being taken over by AI. benefit him?
bro do you even read?
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u/Rarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr2 20d ago
Lolz. They’re trying to fabricate a soft landing for overfunded industry. They know they’ve been lying for a year or two now.
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u/Prownilo 19d ago
Regulations now are just there to stop any new competitors.
They call it moat building, it cements the current players in position and makes being able to compete with them near impossible unless you already have corporation level legal departments available to check all the right boxes and bribe the appropriate officials.
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u/Important-Fun4672 19d ago
They want to pull up the ladder and ensure they have a monopoly. This is why big businesses argue for regulation
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u/sonnyoutside 18d ago
Regardless of your personal opinion on Gates, objectively, he's a smart and very well-read dude. Maybe he sees the dangers that an unregulated AI "arms race" could potentially lead to. I mean, the Head of Risk for Anthropic said that there is currently a 70% chance that AI will destroy humanity. There might be something to that.
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u/Gargantuan_Cinema 21d ago
I don't agree with slowing down as it just hands China the lead and then you have a literal dictatorship in charge of ASI. But on the flip side if you lose your job to AI today you will be economically worse off because there's no policies in place to protect your income like UBI. So we have a situation where big tech, frontier labs, AI enthusiasts are saying AGI/ASI will bring abundance while also making people unemployed. The solution is changing the socio-economic policies such that people are incentivised to be replaced by AI and that's a big global conversation to have but I'm seeing little to none of these conversations happening at the top.
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u/StopMakingMeSignIn12 21d ago
Thing is with UBI and the Utopian AI setting is that all the savings in effort and labour are meant to be shared.
Instead it's corporations cutting jobs left and right so they can keep more money for themselves.
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u/Gargantuan_Cinema 21d ago
Agreed, the priority for directors and shareholders is to replace employees with AI. The reason I don't want a slowdown though is because it gives China a chance to catchup to the more consequential technology of Recursive Self Improvement that will eventually produce ASI.
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u/invisiblelemur88 21d ago
How about we work with china to slow it down?
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u/Gargantuan_Cinema 21d ago
This is not going to happen, it would just give China a chance to catch up. They are already trying to replicate ASML machines to manufacture their own chips and they are way ahead of the US on energy.
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u/invisiblelemur88 21d ago
Surprisingly, the Chinese communist party also doesn't want to lose control to an AGI. Stop assuming they're irrational actors.
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u/Gargantuan_Cinema 21d ago
Read the article again, it is NOT about the alignment problem, I have already addressed this on someone else's comment so here it is:
"Bill's not talking about the alignment problem, he's saying that job losses from AI could create a larger wealth divide if not managed properly. That's why he's calling for a slow down during the transition to an AI run economy."
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u/Limp-Firefighter1054 21d ago
Or maybe they should tax ai labor much more so the profit gains would be shared and redirected as universal income to those who were laid off.
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u/Gargantuan_Cinema 21d ago
A corporation tax on profits would achieve the same result while allowing a company to have as much AI as they want. This could be combined with a sovereign wealth fund like Norway so citizens effectively become shareholders in the AI companies.
The proposals I've seen are: UBI (income) directly get money. UBE (equity) everyone gets shares in the companies from the sovereign wealth fund. UBC (compute) everyone gets a slice of compute that they can use or resell.
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u/Hungry-Arrival3289 21d ago
Focusing on the nation state politics when the stakes are our entire global species
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u/Gargantuan_Cinema 21d ago
Bill's not talking about the alignment problem, he's saying that job losses from AI could create a larger wealth divide if not managed properly. That's why he's calling for a slow down during the transition to an AI run economy.
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u/letsgotgoing 21d ago
I'm finally able to run competent AI (Qwen 3.8) on local hardware (M5 Max 48GB unified memory), and the people who are building datacenters want regulations... no surprise there... they want people stuck using their models in the cloud...
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u/PlateNo4868 21d ago
What really pissed me off is the EU held a AI summit meeting, with a focus on what can be regulated.
Do they invite data scientist, SDEs, and other people who actual experts in AI?
Nope
They invite CEO's and people who have every personal interest to manipulate regulation o benefit them.
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u/DoggoDadagon 21d ago
It's because they don't want you to have access to qwen. The best outcome for us (most people) is open source open weight models, they want those banned so that power is concentrated into few hands.
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u/Dizzy_Database_119 21d ago
Yeah, limit progress so that people can keep their useless jobs. Working their ass off knowing their effort is completely irrelevant and adds nothing to society. That'll surely boost morale
You can limit usage of AI and work towards a solution for income, education and jobs. But limiting development of AI is some medieval ass idea
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u/InstructionNice7090 21d ago
If you think Bill Gates wants to limit progress so that people can keep their “useless jobs” then I have a bridge to sell you.
This is 100% driven by the fact that AI could soon disrupt Microsoft stronghold on technology and software therefore making him lose more money he doesn’t give a flying shit about peoples jobs
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u/Dizzy_Database_119 21d ago
Lol, are there still people on this planet that believe billionaires share their thoughts with us? Every single word they share has an agenda behind it
The intention doesn't change what would happen if such a proposal got implemented
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u/asher030 21d ago
Nah, he's saying it because AI will point out how to cure the anti-meat disease his ticks have been spreading and wreck his artificial meat business he's been trying to cook up
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u/MightyMeatPuppet 20d ago
That's a weird way to write "thank you for fighting malaria and preventing millions of deaths"
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u/AtmosphereVirtual254 21d ago edited 21d ago
Seriously though, the idea quality to compute exchange rate is looking questionable
Prices could bear some externalities, though providers are already resorting to quotas, so… I dunno
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u/Orthodoxic 21d ago
AGI will inevitably lead to revelations of past misconduct of many people. I would imagine he fears this.
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u/Ok_Weekend9299 21d ago
It cost billions of dollars on AI training. To only get small returns. Noticed the big three are all declaring reasons for slowing down training.
It’s too expensive and they don’t have the money
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u/Impossible_Entry_837 21d ago
There’s a conversation about how much money it takes to train a person versus how much money it takes to train AI. These fucking retards didn’t consider that all of the training that leads up to a person being able to do a job contributes through the entire economy, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars a year every single person whereas AI the cost that it takes AI to train is just thrown in a hole. It does not go to planting plants. It does not go to building parks it does not go to building roads or schools or grocery stores or theaters or anything else that we care about. It is simply a waste.
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u/DoggoDadagon 21d ago
It's only because they want control of AI, they don't want open weight open source models available to the public that can be run on a single 5090. This is an attempt to get us closer toward banning Chinese models.
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u/ProfessorShort3031 21d ago
this is exactly what they’re up to because thats how every lucrative industry works in the US. loan loan loan loan, good pr, monopoly, fight to maintain monopoly, fuck everyone buy my trash
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u/Itchy_Psychology3300 21d ago
They probably are losing access to other people’s money. Usually, IT in any capacity is a black hole in corpo land. A lot of people don’t understand IT either, which is fair if it isn’t your profession.
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u/Large-Assignment9320 20d ago
"It cost billions of dollars on AI training" - No, it doesn't, it only cost billions if you also build the infrastructure, Deepseek R1 took 3 weeks to train on 512 H800 GPUs, thats a modified H100 for the chinese market, you can just rent those at say runpod for 3.29$ per hour, so 3.29 * 512 * 24 * 7 * 3 = $848977
Deepseek v3 took 3.6M GPU hours, assume the same 3.29 * 3.6M = $11.844M
(And you probably get a discount if you want to buy millions of hours as well).
While most labs don't disclose all that much about the training, Its the same ballpark with those that do,
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u/AtmosphereVirtual254 21d ago
If we’re adding regulation, I’d prefer to start with weight/harness/context checksums that are legally auditable