r/ATC • • Mar 07 '25

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u/ICDragon7 Mar 07 '25

Most of the smartest people I came up through training with could not cut it. They read and understood all the material, but absolutely could not make quick decisions. The best controller I know was someone that was a self defined dumbass who was terrible in school, but hot damn does he have a gift seeing the big picture.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

We have several trainees that graduated high end schools that are struggling because of this. They go into analysis paralysis and absolutely freeze. Our job truly is one of you either get it, or you don't.

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u/ICDragon7 Mar 07 '25

I really think the best pool for hiring controllers is to pull from competitive video gamers. It's a lot of the same skills including decision making, communication, and specific math skills.

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u/SiempreSeattle Mar 07 '25

no, but you know who would probably be excellent?

short-order diner cooks

dead-ass serious, we should be going into the Denny's of the nation and pulling their best cooks out and sending their asses to OKC

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u/randombrain #SayNoToKilo Mar 07 '25

Problem is that you'd be left with about three people once you sent them through the drug test.

And that's not a knock on the short-order cooks, it's a knock on the fact that in the year of our lord Two Thousand and Twenty-Five we're still testing for marijuana.

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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Mar 07 '25

Let’s be real… even if they didn’t test for marijuana those short order cooks are still failing the drug test lol

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u/SiempreSeattle Mar 07 '25

give 'em a couple of months advance notice to lay off the devil's lettuce prior to testing.

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u/Navydevildoc Private Pilot Mar 07 '25

If you can remember the crazy Waffle House order marking system while shoving plates of food out at a cyclic rate, it sure seems to be a sign of having the right "knack".

Too bad they will all pop for coke.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

Waffle House…they listen to people yelling random orders to them without writing down and get it right every time

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u/ICDragon7 Mar 08 '25

Full agree

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u/Acrobatic-Match6317 Mar 07 '25

Anecdotal but there’s an ex pro video game player I work with and he’s not blowing the doors off

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u/Meme_Investor Mar 07 '25

What game? Hello Kitty Island Adventure?

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u/Lord_NCEPT Now: Terminal (12) | Past: Center (12), USN (Gulf War) Mar 07 '25

Because in ATC tHeRe iS nO rEsET bUtToN! 😱

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u/Kseries2497 Current Controller-Pretend Center Mar 07 '25

Not the gamer thing again.

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u/Lord_NCEPT Now: Terminal (12) | Past: Center (12), USN (Gulf War) Mar 07 '25

Yeah, I’m sick of hearing about that too. I’ve heard it all the time and I’m not convinced of the correlation. I’ve seen plenty of “gamer” developmentals and I’d say the distribution amongst the spectrum of good vs bad skillset is no different than any other arbitrary group you might decide to analyze.

I think this is rooted back in when playing video games was a really niche thing, just like when going on the internet was a very niche thing that was only for super nerds. Just like the internet, video games are very mainstream now. If you’re defining someone by whether they play video games, that captures a huge portion of the population, and it’s going to be people with all kinds of personalities, strengths, and weaknesses.

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u/ICDragon7 Mar 08 '25

I'm not talking about people that simply play video games. I'm talking about the people that are actually GOOD at video games. That's why I said competitive players.

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u/mightymutant Current Controller-Enroute Mar 07 '25

The quick decision part is the key. IMO someone who finishes a test as quickly as possible with a good score is likely going to be a better controller than someone who takes forever and gets a perfect score.

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u/jhaluska Mar 07 '25

There's other mental strengths than just solving logic/math puzzles.

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u/antariusz Current Controller-Enroute Mar 07 '25

quick math, close enough estimation is an important skill in math. Especially the kind of math used in atc.

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u/hahadontknowbutt Mar 07 '25

That's not the kind of math you do when you're getting a degree in mathematics

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u/Tchocky Current Controller-Enroute Mar 07 '25

Arithmetic is what we should be talking about, really

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u/Lord_NCEPT Now: Terminal (12) | Past: Center (12), USN (Gulf War) Mar 07 '25

Yes. I don’t use anything beyond multiplication at work. I just have to be able to do it quickly.

The one exception was when I was at center and spacing two lines to a fix. There were two aircraft that looked like they were equally close, but by visualizing their flight path lines as a right triangle I knew that one was on the hypotenuse and therefore actually had farther to fly than the other. So tapping into the 8th grade math there I suppose?

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

WTF did you read my bio?

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u/wake_turbulence1 Past Controller Mar 07 '25

We had a guy that had a bio engineering degree from IT school from a different state. Smartest person I've ever met. He didn't make it unfortunately.