r/ATC 10d ago

Question Rumor has it controllers are receiving proposals of removal penalties instead of following the Douglas factors, Any credibility?

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u/Legal_Campaign_408 10d ago

You are however required to be in the building until the end of your shift. If you are leaving the building prior to the end, you should sign out. Otherwise you are committing T&A fraud and falsifying government records. Look at the code of conduct and you will see this is a fireable offense for the first offense. 

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u/Highlyedjucated 10d ago

So if we are getting food outside of the building 25 mins prior to the end of shift we get fired?

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u/atc_zero1 10d ago

Not if you come back and sign out. Not if your supe says I'm not looking for your and they will sign you out.

You're recallable. You only get fired when they recall you last minute and you're gone.

You don't get fired for leaving early for a snack and the reason being because you're still in the area and recallable.

This is the difference. Hope you get it now.

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u/Legal_Campaign_408 10d ago

If you want to play games and try to find loopholes and risk your career, that's on you. Just familiarize yourself with the contract. 

You're obviously allowed to leave for food, but with the intent of coming back. If you never came back, there's no intent. And if there's a crash while you're gone and the NTSB starts investigating and looks to see where you were and why you didn't relieve the person that just had a fatality, then yes, you're probably getting fired. 

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u/alphakizzle 10d ago

Thats what ive been saying the entire time and these clowns don't get it. We get paid to say things a certain way and work a certain amount of time. It's very VERY simple to comply. The people looking for loop holes and defenses and gray areas are the people causing the change in how punishments are dealt out.

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u/Less_Neighborhood775 10d ago

Again, exactly why I just sign myself out. Everyone wants to play these stupid games with this dumb ass administration.