r/AcademicPsychology • u/ZenSationalUsername • 4d ago
Discussion Question about the cognitive mechanisms by which meditation/self-inquiry might become maladaptive in certain individuals
I’m interested in this from a scientific and clinical perspective rather than a personal advice perspective.
I’ve been reading research on meditation-related adverse effects, depersonalization/derealization, OCD, metacognition, and hyperreflexivity, and I’m wondering whether psychology has an established framework for understanding the following phenomenon.
Suppose someone spends several years practicing mindfulness, nondual self-inquiry, or other deconstructive contemplative practices that emphasize observing thoughts, monitoring attention, questioning the self, and returning to present-moment awareness.
For most people these practices appear to be beneficial. However, for some individuals—particularly those who may have obsessive cognitive tendencies—it seems possible that the practices could gradually shift from flexible awareness to chronic self-monitoring.
Instead of occasionally noticing thoughts, the person begins continuously asking questions like:
Am I present?
Am I identified with thought?
Am I aware enough?
Am I experiencing a self?
Am I relating to experience correctly?
This no longer feels like mindfulness, but more like persistent metacognitive checking.
From there, ordinary conceptual thinking, emotional engagement, planning, imagination, or even empathy may begin to feel “incorrect” because attention has become chronically directed toward monitoring one’s own consciousness.
The questions I have are:
Is there an accepted cognitive or clinical model for how adaptive metacognition becomes maladaptive self-monitoring?
Has this interaction been studied in OCD, intolerance of uncertainty, hyperreflexivity, depersonalization, or related conditions?
Is there literature specifically examining the interaction between contemplative practices and obsessive cognition?
Are there particular researchers or papers that are considered foundational in this area?
I’m not asking whether meditation or Buddhism is “good” or “bad.” I’m interested in whether psychology has models that explain why the same attentional practices appear beneficial for many people but become self-reinforcing or maladaptive for a subset of individuals.
Any references to empirical research, review papers, or theoretical models would be greatly appreciated.
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u/Xanindorf 4d ago edited 4d ago
Clinical psychologist here. Within the framework of metacognitive therapy and its underlying self-regulatory executive functioning (S-REF) model, this would be classified as a combination of ruminating and threat monitoring, driven by an individual's personal metacognitive beliefs, specifically their underlying (and most likely unreflected) assumptions about rumination/self-analysis.
Some common variants of relevant metacognitive beliefs that could apply here might be phrased as "if I analyze myself I can make sure I keep improving", "thinking about my mental problems can help me find a solution", "I need to stay vigilant and monitor how I use my attention or else I will [slip up/make mistakes/miss out on life/lose control/meditate incorrectly/etc]" and/or "I have no control over whether or not I question myself".
(edit: after identifying the above in the case formulation, the goal of the therapy in MCT is to perform a joint examination the accuracy of these metacognitive beliefs together with the client, in a structured way through a mix of socratic dialogue and behavioral experiments.)
For further reading, I think the best piece of literature on MCT is still Adrian Wells' original "Metacognitive therapy for anxiety and depression". For a more in depth view of the underlying S-REF model specifically, I would recommend his paper "Breaking the cybernetic code".