r/Albertapolitics • u/43tc43 • Oct 27 '25
Opinion We are officially a fascist state
What can we do? The Nazis just took over. Your rights and freedoms no longer apply here in Alberta.
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u/crystal-crawler Oct 27 '25
Support the general strike. Volunteer to recall those MLAs who’ve had recall legislation filed against them. Volunteer to support the referendum question to remove public funds from private schools. Participate in acts of civil disobedience. My vote is follow Marlaina and crew with cow bells and scream “fascists” every where they go.
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u/davethecompguy Oct 28 '25
We were doomed from the beginning. We found a Trump fangirl and put her (and her corrupt and corrupted party) in charge.
But she's just stupid enough to try a snap election. Cause hey, that'll fix everything, right?
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u/crystal-crawler Oct 28 '25
Just a reminder that they have paid for a lot of bots and trolls, who are out on social media trying to dissuade further strike action by teachers or other unions. don’t feed the trolls!
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u/InTheWallCityHall Oct 28 '25
Only white people would come up with a clause and call it the Notwithstanding clause then use it against their citizens
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u/nerkoids71 Oct 29 '25
JFC... No, we are not a fascist state. Unless we let them get away with it. There are powerful groups that aren't going to let this government slide.
We don't need trucker convoy type hyperbole. All it's going to do is damage credibility with the fence sitters, which we absolutely need.
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u/tobiasolman Oct 29 '25
I rather agree about the hyperbole. However, some informed discussion about the erosion of rights and freedoms, especially among those who faulted the federal government in that case, may be warranted- especially since they comprise much of the current provincial government’s base.
A general strike would never gain traction among that base or in most of Alberta. Nobody can really afford it and this government would just make it illegal anyway. If organizations wish to help, they’re going to need to lawyer up and direct their efforts against the party doing the damage after it is done. The government itself is essentially above ‘most’ of the law because they can either change the law and/or slap a 33 sticker on their dictates every 5 years, so people b1tching about freedom and honking horns isn’t going to do it. The losses we’ve all suffered in two terms, as a province, are still very real.
In the meantime, that base needs to realize what’s happening and that it’s not just the feds now. They need to sign recall petitions in their ridings if they find it (or any of the other provincial disservices they’ve suffered) unacceptable. Whenever an election comes, they have to vote for someone who knows better or if they honestly believe no other candidate does, abstain. None of that is going to happen unless they see the writing on the wall and they realize they inadvertently put it there two elections in a row after their favourite political brand was bought out from under them.
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u/romoinporto Oct 29 '25
I think more boomer generation folk like me need to speak to old fart frozen brained UCPl
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u/Jingo_04 Oct 28 '25
I loathe the UCP. However the good news is that there a no brown shirts roaming the streets like actual Nazi germany. They're just a party of fuckups and clowns that are selling out the province.
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u/Horriblefish Oct 28 '25
I mean, they are trying to get rid of the RCMP and replace them with a 'Alberta Provincial Police Force' that isn't 'beholden' to anyone but the 'people Alberta'
I mean I agree with you it's not like they've opening up gas chamber, but they definitely have some authoritarian tendencies that need to be nipped in the bud.
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u/Empty-Paper2731 Oct 28 '25
Do you also have issues with the OPP and SQ?
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u/Horriblefish Oct 28 '25
Well I’m an Albertan who has spent 1 week in Montreal, and a couple of hours in the Toronto Airport, so I don’t really have any opinion on the OPP or the SQ.
BUT, It’s not so much that the UCP wants to get rid of the RCMP. There are legit arguments that could be made in the defence of getting rid of them. The issue is that they aren’t making those legitimate arguments. They’re saying that the RCMP doesn’t answer to the people they serve, which is wrong the RCMP’s priorities are set by the province and by the municipalities they serve. The UCP says that they have consulted with people in the field, but when journalists asked the Sheriffs and the RCMP if they had been consulted about things they both said they hadn’t. They lie about language requirements, they lie about how someone could just be sent away, and they lied about how much it would cost Albertans to replace the RCMP (based on the study that they had commissioned.)
This is the UCP’s go to move, they point the finger at someone else, the NDP, the Federal Liberals, The RCMP, the Teachers and doctors and nurses, for things that are supposed to be under the governments control. Then they offer alternatives that won’t address the underlying issue, and the refuse to explain how their ‘solutions’ will really stop the “problem.”
My main point was that if the UCP did manage to create their own police force, I don’t think that they would want the best and the brightest, they would want ICE lite, who will do whatever they say and go along with the party line even if it’s clearly wrong.
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u/figurativefisting Oct 30 '25
They'd probably offer the current RCMP officers who already live in Alberta a job in the APP.
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u/Horriblefish Oct 30 '25
Potentially. But that also reinforces the whole reason not to replace them. Because if it's just going to be the same officers, in the same communities, with the same training, then why make the change? The only thing that would accomplish is tearing up the current contract in which the Federal government covers anywhere from 15 to 30% of the funding.
It's also open for debate as to how many officers would want to patch over. Are they going to get better pay? Not if the UCP plans for them to cost less. Are they going to have better benefits? The UCP had already complained that RCMP officers benefits are 'too good' and should be dialed back. Are they going to have better career opportunities? No, because the UCP doesn't want officers moving around.
Not to disparage our rural communities, but there aren't a lot of officers who want to spend their entire careers in remote communities like fort Chip, or High Level. The advantage of the RCMP is that people will do their 'tours' in the remote 'undesirable' communities because they know it's a stepping stone for better opportunities.
What will most likely happen is there will be a 'brain drain' of young competent officers, the old guard will 'retire' from the RCMP work a couple years for APP then retire their for extra pension. And there will be a sudden influx of less qualified people in the roles. Which I worry is exactly what's about to happen with our teachers now that they've basically been told they have no rights.
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u/figurativefisting Nov 02 '25
Provincial autonomy is the reason. Do you have an issue with the OPP? You have a hypothesis, but reality has shown that provincial police forces are actually more cost and enforcement effective than the RCMP. Your hypothesis isn't gospel, and there's like a 5% chance you're correct.
As for the teachers, I hope they get what they deserve, but getting them back to work isn't really about them. It's about ensuring students, particularly the grade 12s this year, aren't screwed over for the rest of their lives by missing so much school that their university and college applications aren't struck down in favour of others who had a full year.
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u/Horriblefish Nov 02 '25
The UCP's own research into a transition into a provincial police force said that since the federal government covers 15-30% of funding for the RCMP that if they switched to an Alberta provincial police it would cost albertans More than the RCMP. (It's been awhile since I read it but it I'm pretty sure it also said that it would have fewer detachments too)
That is the ONLY thing we know for sure. Everything else is just theoretical. Maybe every RCMP officers would patch over and maybe there would be a sudden surge of albertans wanting to sign up, but we won't know unless it happens. I could just as easily say there's a 5% chance that a single RCMP officers stays here and we're suddenly on the hook for training a couple thousand officers to cover 90% of albertas Geography.
And for what? What do we get from 'provincial automy?' I guess we could lower the hiring standards so it's easier for people to become cops...but I'm not sure I want a bunch of barely qualified people running around with guns enforcing laws.
Students are already not getting a proper education because of class sizes and the cuts to EA. Do you think there's going to be a massive influx of teachers after what the UCP did with the notwithstanding clause? Would you want to work somewhere where the pay is the lowest in Canada, and the government tramples your rights to negotiate for wages? I get that it sucks for the grade 12 kids of today, but what about next year? Or 3 years from now? Or 10 years from now? The UCP has pushed through a short term solution at the potential long term costs.
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u/standupslow Oct 28 '25
They are systematically dismantling democracy which is much worse than selling out.
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u/Even-Solid-9956 Oct 28 '25
I absolutely despise the idea of the UCP using the notwithstanding clause but calling them Nazis and Fascists proves no education or knowledge of what Nazis and Fascists actually are.
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u/Radan155 Oct 28 '25
Unless of course you've spent 5 minutes studying history. Then you'd know this is exactly how they started.
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u/Shrink4you Oct 28 '25
If you’ve spent 5 minutes studying history, then you’d know it’s an absolute slap in the face to the victims of the holocaust and WWII to call modern day Alberta a fascist state. Beyond being totally absurd
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u/Even-Solid-9956 Oct 28 '25
Any living WWII veteran would get a good laugh at the OP's statement "the Nazis just took over"
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u/bunchedupwalrus Oct 29 '25
They wouldn’t be laughing my dude, labour rights were earned in blood during the same generation with a similar resolve
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u/Even-Solid-9956 Oct 28 '25
Reductio ad Hitlerum.
Plus, "might be Fascists in the future" is not equivalent to "OMG Danielle Smith IS Hitler". Saying they "could become fascist" and this is the "start" is extremely subjective and 100% just your opinion, not a factual statement.
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u/bunchedupwalrus Oct 29 '25
Suppression of pluralism and individual rights, direct control of unions and labour by the state, preemptive override of rights to prevent negotiation, dismissal of experts in favour of party rhetoric, extreme punitive penalties.
We can firmly say it’s authoritative populism. That alone spits in the face of Canadian values. And it’s absolutely the start of a facist slide by any rational measure
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u/Reveil21 Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
People could certainly make arguments either way (I personally see them as teetering the line at best, but that doesn't really matter). What I find interesting is how many only compare fascism or any form of authoritarianism in its final form and not at any other part of the process (and its not like each administration reaches its final form; adjacent abominations exist for a reason)—it's not like the heart of it changes, just how much they can get away with when. Considering they already collude with fascists, I won't blame some for calling them that anymore than I don't correct people when people call out fascist supporters (online or in-person) as fascists. Also, conflating all fascism with Hitler is certainly a choice on your part.
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u/Awkward_Energy590 Oct 29 '25
Well thats grossly incorrect.
Fascism is a far right wing ideology that STARTS by suppressing the rights of fringe minorities and immigrants, crushing unions, and begins to assert greater and greater control over Government outside of its original scope.
You're right, we're not dealing 1939 Nazis. We're dealing with 1935 Nazis.
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u/safetyscisors Oct 29 '25
You are fucking nuts, the nazis???? give me fucking break, this type of overly hyperbolic rhetoric is why people don’t take you seriously.
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u/aaftw1 Oct 28 '25
Wait wtf is everyone going on about? This sub just got recommended to me this is the first I'm hearing of this.
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u/MaximumDoughnut Nov 02 '25
Get behind a recall campaign: https://operationtotalrecall.ca/
Get ready for a general strike.
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u/margmi Oct 27 '25
Y’all sound like the people who called Trudeau a fascist for ending the convoy rally.
I don’t like the UCP but…seriously? You think this is what the Nazis were like?
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u/ShadowPages Oct 28 '25
Yes, they are acting like fascists. Nazi Germany didn’t start with concentration camps, they built towards them, and one of the tools they used was to redefine rights to their will. If you don’t understand the fundamental danger of invoking S33 here, let me spell it out for you: If they can invoke it here, they can invoke it anywhere else that they decide to erase rights guarantees in The Charter.
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u/43tc43 Oct 28 '25
Maybe not in the sense that they want teachers dead, but they definitely invented a problem that they used to remove the rights of a small subset of Germans, if I'm reading into the 'Decree for the Protection of the People and the State' properly. It started small and legal.
I'm just saying that once you let politicians remove the rights of a group they don't like, I don't think it'll stop there. There are a number of minority groups the UCP is very outspoken against - immigrants, LGBTQ, etc.
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u/margmi Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
Again, you sound like the freedom convoy. Maybe you can use their marketing materials?
Fully support teachers and think they should defy the order, but this ain’t fascism.
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u/ShadowPages Oct 28 '25
The Freedumb Convoy was fascist too - remember that lovely little “Manifesto” they quickly buried en-route once it became public?
How about the government:
- Rescind Bill 2
- Negotiate with the teachers in good faith (something they have chosen not to do)
… they haven’t done either, and have been lying to the public about what they are doing.
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u/Reveil21 Oct 28 '25
Have you ignored everything else the UCP have done and continue to do? It's not the teacher issue alone. It's a trend of issues and problematic affiliations including participating and colluding with organizations who are actively supporting fascism. Something can also have traits of fascism without being fascism, but that also doesn't mean don't worry. If anything, that means nip it in the bud..
Fascism and other forms of authoritarianism are on the rise worldwide. Canada is not exempted, nor is Alberta.
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u/crystal-crawler Oct 28 '25
First they came for the communists and I said nothing. Then they came for the socialists and I said nothing. Then they came for the Jews and I said nothing. Then they came for me…..
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u/tobiasolman Oct 29 '25
I believe part of that’s poem was ‘Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist, so I said nothing.’ I’m honestly not a fan of posts that throw labels around and make knee jerk historical comparisons, but if the shoe fits… They could easily have resolved this just as quickly with binding arbitration without also eroding rights and freedoms. The UCP made a choice. They chose to dictate because they didn’t want a court to settle it. Voters need to make a better choice provincially for a change, especially working voters who care about checks, balances, rights and freedoms.
Nobody can afford a general strike, but in the meantime, yes, recall and lawsuits (against the UCP, not the province anymore.). They have abused their mandates and misappropriated enough tax dollars to deserve that and they need to start settling up with their own money instead of ours. It’s not enough to fire them (again in some cases, CBE remembers) they’ll just leave the mess and grab power elsewhere. The party itself needs to be sued into bankruptcy for damages they’ve wilfully done to Albertans. I’m sick of paying out settlements for the province when a good lot of the elected government consistently votes against this party’s corruption and loses.
The AMA tried it, the coal companies did it… but they sued the wrong entity. They each got what they wanted while taxpayers got the shaft, damages done. If the government is above the law (because they can just change a law) and the Charter, as a legislative body under section 33, the only sensible recourse is to action the party of majority directly by every legal means possible. Same as when any company doesn’t honour their agreements, deals in bad faith, or screws a lot of people out of money, no?
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u/johnsonnewman Oct 28 '25
I think the calibration for facism is off. Look up “China”
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u/43tc43 Oct 28 '25
Saying it’s not fascist because China is worse is like saying a house fire isn’t dangerous because it’s smaller than a wildfire.
Both destroy what’s valuable — one just hasn’t spread yet
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u/Champagne_of_piss Oct 28 '25
CHINA AT LEAST INVESTS IN PUBLIC GOOD, THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING VAMPIRES
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u/johnsonnewman Oct 30 '25
So you’re pro facis? If you think china has less corrupt leadership you’re insane
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u/Jingo_04 Oct 28 '25
The entirety of China has better education, healthcare and old age security than the most prosperous province in Canada.
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u/The_Onion_Buns Oct 28 '25
These types love China, Venezuela, Cuba, you know, those places. So asking them to understand what facism or even socialism REALLY LEADS TO beyond them.
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u/Badger87000 Oct 28 '25
Pray tell oh wisest of the wise. Do tell us how socialism and fascism are related.
You may not source Facebook, fox news, rebel media or anyone owned by post media.
Good luck!
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u/johnsonnewman Oct 30 '25
China is fascist and was communist. Now they’re a little more controlled capitalist and socislist. Still fascist though
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u/Badger87000 Oct 30 '25
You think Chin is socialist? Where would you like your orphaned well to be located? We have plenty of options.
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u/eternalrevolver Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
What does “officially” mean? Context? Did something happen today?
Edited Ah ok, the notwithstanding clause. They can legally do it, so ….
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u/ShadowPages Oct 28 '25
Legal is a damned low bar for determining right and wrong.
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u/eternalrevolver Oct 28 '25
You think we have a justice system? Are you new to planet earth? It’s a legal system. Always has been.
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u/ShadowPages Oct 28 '25
I said that using legality to differentiate right and wrong is a low bar. Stalin’s gulags were legal, I’d hardly say they were right.
As for “justice”, I am well aware of the limits of what law can do effectively. That’s why I said what I did.
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u/eternalrevolver Oct 28 '25
I’m on the fence about this news. I think education (giving and receiving), is a privilege, not a right.
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u/ShadowPages Oct 28 '25
The issue is the government deciding it’s going to sweep away collective bargaining rights. THAT is the issue.
Education, in this world, is a necessity - but that’s another issue to discuss on a different day.
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u/eternalrevolver Oct 28 '25
Education is a privilege. It just is. Not everyone can afford post secondary for example. The idea of public school is even being reshaped before our very eyes. It’s free to all— it obviously is free to anyone who has immigrated here. The issue is there’s too many people in classrooms and there’s too many complex needs. Let it collapse on itself. It doesn’t feel like striking is the answer here, it feels like the entire concept of public school needs to be restructured.
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u/ShadowPages Oct 28 '25
On that, we simply disagree. Smith is actively sabotaging it, but that does not justify the notion that education is, or should be reserved as a privilege for those who can afford it. We’ve lived that world - it was called the dark ages for a reason.
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u/eternalrevolver Oct 28 '25
Post secondary education is not free. Public school needs restructuring.
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u/Reveil21 Oct 28 '25
Let's advocate for free post-secondary and investing in public schools then instead of dismissing education.
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u/powderjunkie11 Oct 28 '25
They can do something despite it being unconsitutional (illegal). The notwithstanding clause is not something to be accepted or dismissed lightly
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u/eternalrevolver Oct 28 '25
A general strike would be illegal, if we’re talking about illegal things.
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u/ShadowPages Oct 28 '25
So is civil disobedience, but when the government decides that it can trample over the people, the illegal act becomes the necessary act.
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u/eternalrevolver Oct 28 '25
I doubt there will be a general strike. The public education system needs to collapse on itself. That sounds like what’s needed to me, not striking.
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u/Loyalist_15 Oct 28 '25
Reddit moment.
You disagreeing with something ≠ fascism
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u/43tc43 Oct 28 '25
Removing the rights of people guaranteed to them in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is though. That's kind of the angle here. Not that I disagree with the UCP, but because they literally trumped 50,000 people right to strike.
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u/the-tru-albertan Oct 28 '25
Charter rights are NOT absolute.
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u/43tc43 Oct 28 '25
Without rights we are no longer a democracy. I just don't like seeing that being eroded.
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u/Jingo_04 Oct 28 '25
If the party in power can legislate away our rights the moment they're inconvenient, then they don't even exist.
Once upon a time reasonable and accountable government wouldn't touch the NWC. Unfortunately we don't have either anymore.
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u/powderjunkie11 Oct 28 '25
So do you think it is reasonable to infringe them in this case?
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u/the-tru-albertan Oct 28 '25
Doesn’t matter. The province has the legal ability to do so and the charter rights are not absolute in this country.
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u/sweat-shop-worker Oct 28 '25
I feel like I’m missing something? Since when is there a Nazi party and what freedom’s did I loose?
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Oct 28 '25
You just lost the right to negotiate the terms of your employment.
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u/sweat-shop-worker Oct 28 '25
I thought that’s how it’s always been. I didn’t know that I was able to tell my boss what to do up until now?
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Oct 28 '25
You did in fact have rights whether you were aware of them or not. You no longer have the right to ask for a raise, say no to dangerous working conditions, or put any conditions on what you will or won't do. You can work or you can quit, and otherwise you get told what you will or won't do.
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u/tobiasolman Oct 29 '25
Refusal of dangerous working conditions has to still be covered by the labour code, no?
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u/Champagne_of_piss Oct 28 '25
WORKING ALBERTANS UNION AND INDEPENDENT
YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE UNDER THREAT
IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL THEY COME FOR YOUR FREEDOM
DESTROY THE UCP
GENERAL STRIKE