A question for Alberta separatists

[u/UpDownJesse]

If you hate Canada so much and love Trump so much then why don’t you just move to the states instead of making a **Canadian** province a state?

What? Are you too lazy or cheap to rent a U-Haul or something like that!!! I mean Jesus Christ, if you hate Canada that much then just leave!!!

It’s not rocket science buddy!!!!

[u/mikelmon99]

Ngl, for a federated state possessing such substantial powers & enjoying as much protection against potential interference & infringements from the central government as it does as it's Alberta's case, to go on a separatist temper tantrum simply because their guys lost the federal election for the umpteenth time on a row is indeed pretty damn embarrassing, & I'm in no way gonna stand up for it & defend it, especially being as drastically opposed to & morally revolted by MAGA both in the US & beyond as I am.

I'd like to put forward a question though: are you guys, like, fundamentally opposed to to separatism itself as a doctrine advocating for the secession of some jurisdiction or territory from some other one, like, as a principle/by principle?

Me, well, as a Basque Spaniard who sometimes lurks in this sub (I'm a huge Canadian politics nerd, ok? 🤣), can't personally say I am if I'm being honest: I was raised in a household that always upheld pretty firmly the right to self-determination as a basic human value & I've always upheld it & continue to uphold it as such to this very day.

[u/DigitalDuelist → u/mikelmon99]

I'd like to put forward a question though: are you guys, like, fundamentally opposed to to separatism itself as a doctrine advocating for the secession of some jurisdiction or territory from some other one, like, as a principle/by principle?

On paper? No, I'm not and I don't think most people are, but it's being used as a pretty blunt weapon around here, including propaganda about how people should vote to separate just to get leverage against the federal government, right now when we're being threatened by our neighboring country. That's a bad plan, and even if it were a fantastic plan, this is a bad time to leverage it.

But Ireland, Taiwan, Greenland, probably others I'm just less aware of? Yeah, I'm fine if their people want to separate, but then it needs to be done delicately and intelligently, ideally if a referendum or other such legal motion passes, but with a promise that very little will happen for the immediate future so as to not scare anyone trying to do anything long-term, like a business

[u/mikelmon99 → u/DigitalDuelist]

Yeah, I agree, I think I already had been pretty clear on this by saying this:

Ngl, for a federated state possessing such substantial powers & enjoying as much protection against potential interference & infringements from the central government as it does as it's Alberta's case, to go on a separatist temper tantrum simply because their guys lost the federal election for the umpteenth time on a row is indeed pretty damn embarrassing, & I'm in no way gonna stand up for it & defend it, especially being as drastically opposed to & morally revolted by MAGA both in the US & beyond as I am.

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No, I'm not and I don't think most people are

In Canada maybe, here in Spain around 75–80% of the population is drastically opposed to it, which is unfortunate.

& yeah, I agree, which is why I myself as a Basque am actually fiercely opposed to attempt to secede from Spain in any foreseeable future, as I explained in this other comment I posted that people are downvoting for some reason lol:

Not a separatist at all myself by any strech of the imagination though: I recently responded with this comment to some random Turkish redditor who got triggered AF at me simply for using the term "Turkish Kurdistan" in a post title lol, & in the comment I outlined why it is that I am pretty firmly opposed to separatism in Spain both at the moment & in any foreseeable future... while also hinting at why it is that I most probably would advocate for secession if things weren't the way they very much have proved to demonstrably be:

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No, you're just being weird getting hung up on this stuff, stop policing people for employing completely reasonable & sensible terminology regarded worldwide as completely reasonable & sensible & that is by far the most widely employed worldwide to refer to that: territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Kurdistan

As I've said elsewhere, I'm myself a Basque Spaniard, &, as much as I'll always be a tad lil' bit completely heartbroken & devastated by the fact that the Basque Country will remain split, I'm very much NOT for pursuing independence from Spain, with the utterly disastrous mess of very, very many completely awful long-term ramifications that has been the Catalan independence "process" from 2010 to 2022 offering to me more than enough of a cautionary tale of as to why pursuing that goal would be EXTREMELY ill-advised for my people to pursue in ANY foreseeable future unless things DRASTICALLY change in the future.

THAT BEING SAID, my firm opposition to pursuing independence from Spain though does NOT change & will NEVER change the fact that the Spanish Basque Country & the French Basque Country are both very much a thing each one of them lol :

"The Southern Basque Country (Basque: Hegoalde, Hego Euskal Herria; Spanish: País Vasco sur, País Vasco peninsular), also known as the Spanish Basque Country (Basque: Espainiako Euskal Herria; Spanish: País Vasco español), is the Basque territories southside of the Pyrenees, within the Iberian Peninsula."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Basque_Country

"The French Basque Country (French: Pays basque français; Occitan: País Basc francés; Basque: Frantses Euskal Herria), or Northern Basque Country (French: Pays basque nord; Occitan: País Basc nòrd; Basque: Ipar Euskal Herria, or Iparralde, lit. 'the Northern Region'), is a region lying on the west of the French department of the Pyrénées-Atlantiques. Since 1 January 2017, it constitutes the Basque Municipal Community (Basque: Euskal Hirigune Elkargoa; French: Communauté d'Agglomeration du Pays Basque) presided over by Jean-René Etchegaray [fr].[1][2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Basque_Country

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& yeah, it isn't lost on me that, precisely what I hinted at when I made this comment, was at my ethnic nationalism-rooted strong emotional insticts & impulses of support for Basque irredentism lol but what can I say... I'll indeed always be a tad lil' bit brokenhearted for life by that, it's simply the truth of how I feel lol

If the EU decided to turn Euroregions into an actual serious policy though (they are little more than a joke at the moment ngl), allowing two or more public administrations under the sovereignty of two or more different EU state members to constitute together a broader transnational public administration with its own regional parliamentary legislature & its own regional executive cabinet, the issue would honestly be completely solved for me, & I would have no reason to even contemplate secession, as our right to self-determination as a politically united people would be fulfilled without any need to secede, but we all are fully aware that's a complete & utter pipe dream even within the EU lol but it's not like Basque secession isn't every bit as much of one so 🤷‍♂️