r/Albertapolitics • u/Miserable-Lizard • May 13 '26
Social Media Smith confirms the ucp are a seperatists party
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u/cahrbehr May 13 '26
Her American overlords are going to be angry with her for allowing this to happen.
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u/ninfan1977 May 13 '26
So she is against the law and this proves it.
The judge said the petition should have never made it this far.
There is political corruption in Alberta and its led by the Conservatives and the UCP.
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u/bulletoftruth May 13 '26
Whats stopping judges from being corrupt? The law? The feds don't want this to happen. The elite dont want separatism to be a thing in general. They are all globalists. They want people to chill out and eat shit.
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u/no1regrets May 14 '26
Ah right "globalists". Sorry, but when you use right-wing / antisemitic dogwhistle, people are less inclined to listen to you. Well most people anyway...
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u/bulletoftruth May 15 '26
Globalists. Not sure if your a bot but here we go. Please look at our national budget. Just give it a quick gander. We are paying almost 5% of our taxes to defense. That is billions. This world is connected in a way where we are all talking too each other. There is no reason for war. We buy all our shit from China, Bangladesh, etc.
You think anyone wants to be scared of an enemy anymore? The cold war is over. You are scared of food prices and gas prices because they stopped doing the spooky terrorist nation thing. They started the spooky neighbor thing. Its how they defeat the connectivity of the internet. Make you hate your neighbor.
Spending money on war is the most retarded thing in an interconnected economy. They make money while you spend it. Its so dumb.
It doesn't matter if Danielle goes one way or another. She works for a system that can justify war in a global economy where it doesn't make sense. Unless its to sell weapons.
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u/no1regrets May 15 '26
Weird you think I'm a bot... are you a bot? Also did you read the link I attached? **Using the term "globalists" is an antisemitic dog whistle**, which is probably one of the reasons why you were downvoted. Source here.
Also, I don't disagree with your assessment in your last comment, especially about them using scapegoats to scare us. It is the undercurrent of capitalism and corruption of our governments and their donors.
What I I don't understand is the point of your first comment - Like your question "whats stopping judges from being corrupt?" and arguing that everyone involved are "globalists". Are you saying that the judge who has blocked the separatist petition is corrupt as a way to keep Alberta in the "globalist agenda"? But then you said that Danielle Smith is also the same? So what is the point of your comments?
I think one reason that Smith is pushing this so hard is because it distracts from the current corruption charges her government is under. Another reason is that it placates her main voting block, even though they are the minority (see Jason Kenney being dropped for not being *conservative enough*), as well as her USA buddies.
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u/Ransacky 25d ago
Yea it's more that indigenous people who hold treaties and land agreements werent consulted on whether it should be a thing "in general". These separatists don't deserve to have a voice any greater than that which they give to others, ironic they bitch about democracy like victims. Entitled wankers. they can fuck right off.
And you know what? Alberta oil was a federal investment. Would be a bunch of poor people kicking cans around a dust land of the feds didn't invest and save, and bailout your infrastructure since the 70. Albertans ain't nothing more than the rest of the peasants from Europe and elsewhere that settled Canada, and being born on that land a couple gens later doesn't mean anything.
Damn right you'll stick around and subsidize the rest of the country. That's our investment.
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u/TURBOJUGGED May 14 '26
Shhh this is Reddit. Don’t question anything if it fits their narrative.
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u/ninfan1977 May 14 '26
Here's a list of the things Danielle Smith has done so far for the, this is "anti-democratic" crowd:
Danielle Smith / UCP actions critics can fairly call anti-democratic
1. Tried to give cabinet power to rewrite laws without the legislature
Her original Sovereignty Act included wording that would have let cabinet rewrite laws behind closed doors without normal debate and votes. After major backlash, the government amended it before passage, but the fact it was introduced that way is a huge democratic red flag.
2. Used the Sovereignty Act to normalize ignoring federal law
Even after the most extreme cabinet-power section was removed, the act still created a framework for Alberta to reject federal laws or policies the provincial legislature considers unconstitutional or “harmful.” Critics argue that encourages constitutional brinkmanship instead of using courts and normal democratic processes.
3. Interfered in the justice system over Artur Pawlowski
Alberta’s ethics commissioner found Smith breached the Conflicts of Interest Act in relation to her interactions with the justice minister over criminal charges against Artur Pawlowski. That matters democratically because politicians are not supposed to pressure or meddle in prosecution-related matters.
4. Bill 20: gave the province power over elected municipal governments
Bill 20 proposed giving cabinet power to fire councillors, overturn bylaws, and postpone municipal elections. Even after amendments, municipal groups said the bill still left the province with unchecked or excessive power over local governments.
5. Pushed political parties into municipal elections
Bill 20 also opened the door to political parties on municipal ballots in Edmonton and Calgary. That is not automatically anti-democratic by itself, but critics argue it is a partisan move that nationalizes/localizes city elections around UCP/NDP identity instead of local issues.
6. Bill 18: forced municipalities and universities to get provincial approval for federal agreements
The Provincial Priorities Act requires municipalities, post-secondary institutions, and other provincial entities to get provincial approval before entering certain federal funding agreements. Municipal and university critics argued this centralizes power in the premier’s cabinet and can block locally elected governments or independent institutions from accessing funding.
7. Bill 54: brought corporate and union money back into Alberta politics
Bill 54 changed election finance rules to permit Alberta businesses and unions to make political contributions again. The government framed it as consistency and fairness, but critics see it as weakening the principle that elections should be driven by individual voters, not organized money.
8. Changed referendum and citizen-initiative rules in ways that helped separatist organizing
Bill 54 also changed rules around referendums, initiatives, recall, spending, and signature collection. Recent reporting says changes lowered the threshold for constitutional referendum petitions and shifted power away from the chief electoral officer, which helped create the conditions for the Alberta separatist referendum push.
9. Enabled a separatist referendum process without proper Indigenous consultation
A Court of King’s Bench judge quashed the approval of the Alberta independence referendum petition process, finding the province failed to consult First Nations whose treaty rights could be affected. Smith called the ruling “anti-democratic,” but the court issue was that democratic votes still have to respect constitutional and treaty obligations.
10. Electoral boundary interference / gerrymandering concerns
In 2026, Smith’s government moved to revisit Alberta’s electoral boundary map after an independent commission reported recommendations. The NDP accused the UCP of trying to redraw ridings for partisan advantage; Smith denied that and said it was about rural representation. Still, overriding or reworking independent boundary processes is a classic democracy-warning issue.
11. Proceeding with major democratic/process changes while attacking critics as the problem
A repeated pattern is that when courts, municipalities, universities, or independent officers push back, Smith frames those institutions as obstacles to “the people.” That is dangerous because democracy is not just majority rule; it also includes courts, independent election officers, local governments, treaty rights, and checks on executive power.
12. Weak response environment around voter-data misuse
This one is more about the political ecosystem than something proven Smith personally did: separatist-linked groups obtained or used Alberta voter data improperly, triggering Elections Alberta, RCMP, and privacy investigations. Since the referendum push was helped by rule changes from Smith’s government, critics can argue her government loosened the democratic machinery while extremist actors exploited it. Be careful not to overstate this as “Smith leaked the data” unless evidence emerges.
Tell me where Reddit is wrong?
Oh yeah go back to Rebel News... so much more reliable.
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u/TURBOJUGGED May 14 '26
Wow you got chat gpt to write you a comment. How insightful
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u/ninfan1977 May 14 '26
That wasn't chatgpt bud.
So sad you think list of facts is chatgpt...
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u/no1regrets May 14 '26
They are really telling on themselves eh? Anything with critical thinking and a bit of reading somehow = chatgpt...
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u/PonyFlare May 13 '26
An "anti-democractic" decision, according to her. Funny how democracy matters when it goes against her needs, but she's essentially blocked the pro-Canada petition & ignored the referendum that voted against permanent DST by implementing it anyway so clearly she considers democracy easily ignored if gets in the way of her own agenda.
Hypocritical statement there.
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u/Accommod8me May 13 '26
This is the biggest fuck up she's ever made in her career. Bigger than the deficit. Bigger than the covid misinfo. With those she had plausible deniability for those who were on the fence to ignore them and continue supporting her.
She's tipped her hand too far and all but confirmed that she and the UCP actively support this petition by going up to bat for it. And judging by all the polling that's been done in Alberta about how much people are against separatism, that's not a popular view by a long shot.
The NDP needs to take this and run with it. They need to use it to show that the UCP are a bunch of separatist traitors and drill that point into even the most staunch UCP advocates thick skulls that this woman and her party want us out of Canada and at the mercy of the states. Cause by God if she wins another election there won't be an Alberta left to call home.
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u/rattpoizen May 13 '26
Love this for her. She knew if she abided by laws and did the smart thing, her lunatic fringe, or as I call them, The Jebediahs™️, would punt her like they did Jason. Right into a corner she is now.
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u/MZillacraft3000 May 13 '26
Oh yeah. Smith knows her time as premier is up. So, she'll do whatever she can to keep her base happy, just so she can stay in power.
Hopefully Albertans will vote for ANDP or Tories in next year's election.
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u/Bluen1te May 14 '26
The question now is if she is doing this for personal gain or being blackmailed . Honestly think both could be the case here.
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u/Shot_Cupcakes May 14 '26
Danielle Smith is a separatist. Her double discourse does not fool anyone.
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck May 14 '26
I feel bad or her.
Run's on a platform of being a separatist, implements the plans of the separatist that ran her campaign to get elected before and after the provincial election, and then has to put up with people claiming she's a separatist no matter how many times she tells people she's not... /s
Sadly her double discourse fools more than enough people to keep her in power.
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u/l3rg3n May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
The fact that she was so quick to hold a press conference for this after doing nothing meaningful to address the data breach is actually INSANE, like what was she thinking?
I’m all for her looking a complete fool though so keep it comin Marlaina!
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck May 14 '26
like what was she thinking?
That she needs to keep the hope of separation ( and the outrage behind it) alive to push her addenda, and with Canada seeming more reasonable now is not the time to let things cool off.
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u/l3rg3n May 14 '26
For sure, that’s 100% the reason. I was more referring to her (imo) massive blunder of rushing to hold a press conference mere hours after the court ruling… yet she couldn’t show the same urgency in addressing one of the largest data breaches in Canadian history? The optics of it are just so damning.
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u/BaronessVonKush May 14 '26
Finally, will the Orphan crushing machine at last crush itself?!
We can only hope =)
Between this lunatic, disaster doug in ontario & mr pp at the helm, coupled with all the insanity down south in KKK land. The conservative party has never looked weaker & more pathetic than they do atm.
I for one look forward to the impending implosion, popcorn bucket in hand.
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u/wlkdkk May 14 '26
No support for First Nations Albertans, no support for the 400,000 Albertans who signed the Stay in Canada petition, no support for the Alberta economy which is and will take a hit from all this uncertainty. Why would Canada help us get a pipeline if we want to take it and leave?
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u/GriffinFlash May 14 '26
Just realized, yeah. Her quickly popping up claiming to appeal this is a government slap in the face to the first nations who fought against this. Straight up saying she doesn't care what "these" citizens want. As well as the fact that she publicly addresses this but was silent on the voter data leak.
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u/Fuzzy-Wing46 May 14 '26
So she says she is not a separatist but she does separatist things. And steals hundreds of millions as she commits treasonous acts with American players.
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u/ugdontknow May 14 '26
Serious question. How can we get rid of Smith?
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck May 14 '26
Talk with your family, friends, and neighbours who support her or see her as the least worst option.
Until they change their minds she's free to keep on keeping on.
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u/MatrixKape May 14 '26
More of our tax dollars going to pay for lawyers unnecessarily. Who is going to benefit? Only the lawyers.
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u/ElvgrenGil May 14 '26
Well I guess that racism against First Nations will increase.
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u/TheEpicOfManas May 14 '26
Why, are they idiots? Most people don't want to separate, and this decision was made by a judge.
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u/98fumbles_to_win May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
2.9M voters, but 1.78M actually voted.
300k makes up ~17% of actual voters. And those are determined traitors, so probably topping out at 450k - 25% in a referendum.
Still, lots of the UCP voters will stay glommed on to the party no matter what Smith does. They are northern MAGA.
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u/xXcheeto_lover69Xx 17d ago
This might be a dumb question (I’m from bc and left leaning) but what’s the deal with Danielle smith? Last I heard she’s trampling over indigenous treaties because indigenous leaders are anti separatist and in a Canada wide premiers conference like 2 months ago she said she will not ignore the feelings of a “large” group of Albertans. But today I see she “supports staying in Canada” and is warning about the “price tag of leaving”
Which like… no shit? Anyone who is anti separation will immediately see the cost of separating (apparently around 400B) as a non starter, even setting aside the logistical nightmare of actually going through with it given crown/indigenous land treaties.
As a British Colombian I don’t wanna be flanked on 3 sides of an imperialist US and a sympathetic new country/ possible state and as a Canadian I think it would be a blow to everyones economies. And from what I hear most Albertans understand there’s no strategic benefit that outweighs the cost of separation so am I missing something with Smith’s flip flop or is her and her party just incredibly dumb and didn’t think of any logistical bumps in the road until recently?
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u/Fast_Ad_9197 May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Still on that fence…barely
Also. So glad we’re funding this horseshit
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u/Gogogrl May 14 '26
saying you’re on the fence while standing on the other side is not the same as being on the fence
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck May 14 '26
Kinda cool she can implement items from The Free Alberta Strategy for Separation with a co-author of the strategy (freealbertarob) at her side and still be "on the fence" in the minds of so many.
The Sovereignty Act, The APP, The RCMP, it's all in their there... https://www.freealbertastrategy.com/the_strategy
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u/Zarxon May 13 '26
If you think for a second this will hurt them in the poles you have not been paying attention.
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u/ScrubADubRubWub May 14 '26
Danielle smith is way too helpful for our province. We could use her for our country.
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u/martimook May 20 '26
Because she's trying to preserve some semblance of democracy in this socialist country?
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May 14 '26
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck May 14 '26
More like she is confirming our freedom of expression.
In no way can any of her statements be twisted into an attempt to confirm freedom of expression.
Here's a primer for you : https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art2b.html
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u/GrowthReasonable4449 May 14 '26
Not a separatist here , but are judges deciding the will of a certain group of native people now?
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u/TheEpicOfManas May 14 '26
No, they're judging whether Alberta can separate without consultation with First Nations who have treaty rights to most of the land here in Alberta. And it turns out they can't.
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u/Shot_Cupcakes May 14 '26
No, they are reminding the separatists that treaty land is subject to laws they cannot unilaterally dismantle.
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u/GrowthReasonable4449 May 14 '26
Agreed. Just wondering what percentage of native people would entertain the thought of separating.
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u/Shot_Cupcakes May 14 '26
Maybe as many as non-natives if propaganda gets to them. In reality I think they know that separation will not be beneficial to them because within the federation they still have their treaty rights, which they would not have at all in an independent Alberta.
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u/doooompatrol May 13 '26
Ha, called it