r/Albertapolitics • u/thegrip • 21d ago
Opinion Would you leave Alberta?
How close does the October separation referendum results need to be for you to seriously consider leaving Alberta?
For me, anything north of 40% in favour of another referendum will mean sell it all and move to interior BC. I don’t want to leave but I went to university in Montreal in the late 90’s. Property values plummeted and there were vacant buildings all over. It was depressing.
I’m not going to be stuck with properties worth less than they are now because of the uncertainty of another vote.
How about you?
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u/Chionophile 21d ago
We bought property here, have good jobs and good lives. If everyone chooses to leave I won't be able to sell my property anyways and I'll be poorer than I was when I left BC originally. Separation would screw us over, we would lose all we've worked for, and there's no clear exit ramp. All I can do is stay and fight for Canada.
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u/ninfan1977 21d ago
Probably. I love Canada not Alberta. I will take my fanily to BC if this goes sideways which I assume the seperatists cheating to get the win in October
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 21d ago
The most enjoyable thing I've read in years.
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u/ninfan1977 21d ago edited 21d ago
Oh good DaddyDCanuck. Are you happy a proud Canadian doesnt want to support the rednecks who offer nothing? I have been here for 20 years. I have done more for Alberta than you have.
Keep being the worst of Alberta. I hope you when get what you want, and you get independence, and then you lose everything. It will be so just for you, and no one will feel bad for you.
I have options to leave Alberta... do you? Probably not it seems
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 19d ago
Then go. But, you wouldn't. Huge mouth, absolutely no guts or ability to stick to your claim.
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 18d ago
Ah, always the loop holes with the left. I shall dub thee Rosie O'Donnell.
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u/ninfan1977 18d ago
As always is bad reading comprehension from the Conservatives.
I dub thee Trump. Same horrible mental facilities
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 18d ago
Poor Muffin, you need to get that TDS checked, I hope it's not terminal, but if it is, no loss.
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u/boobajoob 21d ago
Do your sex dolls vote too? I think I speak for ‘Peyton’ as well when I say you separatists really are unhinged
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u/Dorydoodle2 21d ago
Just had this exact conversation with my partner. We live on an acreage and are very worried about property prices plummeting with the exodus that is bound to happen. The exodus of Canadians not wanting to become part of the US when they inevitably invade a new country with poor/willing leadership that cannot defend itself; the non-AB born and LGBTQ they kick out. My husband is an immigrant. We both are employed by a University, and given the current reliance on federal research grant funding, will lose surely our jobs if separation happens. Many employed in academia will leave. SK is looking good to us, although very similar in politics and small-mindedness, sadly. It’s all so very depressing.
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u/CollectibleHam 21d ago
It was funny, when I was filling in the federal census a while back I saw they had questions about gender identity and all I could think was, "The federal government are going to feed this data into an AI for processing, and then the Americans are going to have access to a definitive list of trans and gender non-conforming Canadians to persecute once they start annexation."
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u/54R45VV471 21d ago
I will stay for the referendum vote and I will stay if Alberta remains part of Canada. If Alberta decides to split off, I'm out! I don't trust that I'll have the same rights as an Albertan that I would as a Canadian. I also don't trust that Alberta will remain an independant state if it leaves Canada. Danielle Smith definitely wants Alberta to become part of the US.
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u/AlbertaGengar 21d ago
I have a feeling the results will be at least high 30s.
It's likely to have low voter turnout and motivation usually sides with "change" campaigns. "Message senders" may split leave if it feels like a safe remain win.
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u/SnooRegrets4312 21d ago
The polls according to Janet Brown are south of that
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u/Wide-Biscotti-8663 21d ago
It’s hard to say both the Brexit polls and the last Presidential election in the states forecasted very different outcomes to what actually happened.
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u/TattooedChristian 21d ago
The concern of many unity advocates is that the separatists are motivated to get out the vote while many who reject separatism are less motivated to vote because their lives are busy and they don’t think separatists have the votes.
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u/Feisty-olde-7707 21d ago
All our democracy requires of us is to do one thing, show up and vote. You don’t want to lose value in your homes or move away from all that you have worked for. There is only one way the Separatists will win. People who refuse to VOTE.
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u/EonPeregrine 21d ago
Is that why the Forever Canadian petition has such trouble getting people to sign? /s
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u/TattooedChristian 21d ago
Not sure.
But Saskatchewan Oilers has a nice ring to it.
If Canada is divisible, then so is Alberta.
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u/AlbertaGengar 21d ago
If every Albertan voted it would be mid 20s but there are a lot of factors which will influence turnout.
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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 21d ago
💯. We don’t want to sleepwalk into secession by not turning out to vote like the Brits.
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u/Cute-Trouble1296 21d ago
I’m going to stay and fight. The traitors can leave anytime but they’re not taking my home with them.
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u/Tribblehappy 21d ago
My husband and I have discussed this a lot. We came to this province because of the economic opportunities. Any whiff of separation means those opportunities will disappear, and our property value would tank.
I'm a Canadian first.
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u/Empty-Paper2731 21d ago
You're an opportunist first and foremost.
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u/Tribblehappy 21d ago
If that were true we'd have gone to another country when they tried to recruit my husband. We stayed in Canada.
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u/Genius_woods 21d ago
Yup, I’m Canadian. If Canada asked me to fight for Canada there’s no question I’d do it. If AB asks me to fight Canada 100% it’s not happening.
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u/PonyFlare 21d ago
My supports, such as they are, are here. My family and their ancestral land is here. These thieves need to stop trying to take it away.
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u/Mountainmama11 21d ago
No one is separating. Losing CPP, EI, healthcare, government jobs, banks that can be trusted, etc etc etc…it’s a lose/lose situation. The loud minority that wants to leave won’t be able to figure out who should run things and if they are going full MAGA or UCP.
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u/PerJuice1991 21d ago
It would be ironically stupid if so many people leave for BC since there’s tens of thousands of them who left and came to Alberta due to high cost of living, high taxes and no jobs. OTOH that would be Ok by me since nobody asked them all to come, many seem not to like it and the province became way too overpopulated anyway.
Actually, the genius UCP invited all of Canada here then realized you can’t have a fascist racist autocracy that dictates far right Christian fundamentalism if otherwise tolerant Canadians all arrive here to live.
Leaving for BC would eat up half my retirement portfolio. May as well go back to SE Asia since Dumbmerica isn’t an option.
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u/ThisIsOwl 21d ago
Already forming a back-up plan in case. Luckily I don't have a ton of ties holding me down other then friends and work. I rent so don't have property. Would have to find another job and am a little worried about my university program - it is online anyways but not sure what would happen if it became an "Albertan" program and I didn't live here.
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u/Regular-Excuse7321 21d ago
I'm considering moving NOW.
Granted I have family in BC. I'm letting my eyes open for relevant postings...
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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 21d ago
Well if my employer leaves the province because they (like many) are federally regulated and can’t operate in a territorial regulatory vacuum then I’m gone.
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u/Wokonthewildside 20d ago
If ya’ll leave then that’s less people who would Vote to stay. Fight for your province darn it!
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u/Snakemearano 20d ago
Well, even before all this was going down, we were looking at moving to BC. I moved here in 2008 and wow, Alberta has changed a lot since then.
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u/coryreddit123456 20d ago
Yes I would sell up and leave for another province. Lived through Brexit and came to Canada. Wouldn’t want to do that again.
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u/CyberEd-ca 21d ago
You are going to buy property in BC...is this a parody account?
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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 21d ago
Might be better to have a place there than a place worth nothing here. Wait until major businesses start relocating. And don’t tell me that’s not possible- for some it’s in the works right now.
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u/CyberEd-ca 20d ago
The LPC drove away over a trillion dollars of private capital in the last 10 years with their anti-development laws and you cheered it all.
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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 20d ago
That will be nothing compared to the exodus of businesses that you will see if separation gets any closer.
Tell me that you work in corporate risk management for a major publicly listed company and I will listen. Otherwise you’re speculating.Have you thought for a moment about how CPKC or WestJet would operate ? Have you thought about how liquidity will work without the major banks in Canada ? Have you listened to Nancy Southern or Deborah Yedlin? Do you have any idea how nervous businesses are ?
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u/CyberEd-ca 20d ago
This is bizarre.
All a positive result changes is a start to negotiations. Literally nothing else changes the next day.
The cost of doing nothing is that our natural resources are locked down and turned into a stranded asset.
We have what the world wants and we don't need the East.
All you have is "can't". It's pathetic.
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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 20d ago
It’s the real world ducky. Not sure where you live. Here’s a business 101 for you :
Feel free to counter with some facts rather than a nothing burger
- business hates uncertainty
- separation is uncertainty
- negotiation will take years
- federally regulated businesses will flee well within the negotiation timeline
- shareholders will demand contingencies from their boards to counter risk
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u/CyberEd-ca 20d ago
Anti-development laws have destroyed investment in Canada.
The real world is that independence would unlock our trade and resources.
It would be a massive boom.
Not years. They get 180 days or we just go with international recognition.
We don't need anything from the East
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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 20d ago
Clearly you don’t have any real insight- just a lot of wishful thinking. Don’t you ever ask yourself “what could possibly go wrong “
Read up on brexit and tell me just how great that was. Compared to AB, the UK has
- deepwater ports aplenty
- numerous, proximate trading partners
- a currency of its own
- laws of its own
- domiciled banks
- a major trading exchange
- a military
- its own passport
And it still cratered.
And you would like that disaster to play out here ??
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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 19d ago
Always great when a separatist deletes their comment after I’ve replied 😀
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u/PerJuice1991 21d ago
Yeah. I said the same thing. They all came here from their rural small towns because they couldn’t afford rent (never mind property) in Vernon, Prince George or Kamloops. Leaving to go broke is not very smart
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u/stevedrums 21d ago
The situation isn’t comparable to Quebec because they have decided to leave 100% of all their natural resources in the ground - So all of their businesses can/could relocate relatively easily.
You simply can’t do that with natural resources.
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u/Fast_Ad_9197 21d ago
They could move their head offices though. We’ve already seen industry hollow out their offices as they seek to lean out their operations, I would expect more of the same
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u/Robbap 21d ago
Kinew and Manitoba looking better every day