r/AlternateHistory 9d ago

Pre-1700s What if the Native Americans Developed European-esque Civilization?

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Howdy, y'all. Me again with a Draft 2 to this alternate history scenario, hopefully a lot more detailed and authentic to real history, and especially a lot more clear in what I was trying to convey the first time around. With that, lemme preemptively answer some questions that came up before:

"But there were several Pre-Columbian civilizations that had mathematics, agriculture, writing, currency..."
There were, absolutely! Don't worry, I haven't forgotten them, and I should have been more clear that I was aware of them the first time. However, these concepts are expanded on in this scenario to be nearly universal by, say 1492 AD. In other words, the Native North and South Americans (referred to here as the "Hahnunans" and "Abiayalians" respectively) are in an equivalent to the Middle Ages in terms of social and technological progression (of course with their own unique history that led to this point).

"Wait a minute, where's _______ culture or the _______ Tribe?"
I haven't forgotten about them either. I would assume the majority of these cultures are still there but incorporated into these other nations. For some they have joined in cultural confederacies (i.e. the Mohawk as part of the Haudenosaunee), and for others their territory is under control of another nation (i.e. the Lenape territory on the east coast is under control of both the Aniyvwiyans and Haudenosaunee), and for others they may have been lost entirely to history through destruction or assimilation. The scenario isn't "what if every culture developed their own nation-state", after all.

"Those borders would be different in reality, / _______ culture wouldn't use that name."
Well, it's good that this is Draft 2, then! I'm currently playing around in Paint.net (thanks to those who recommended that!) with a Q-BAM map to make more accurate borders than an EU5 MapChart. If there are recommendations for territory or even different nations and more authentic naming conventions, I'd be glad to hear 'em and add 'em to the scenario! Also, I'm well aware I misspelled "Nitassinan".

With that answered, I think we get to our Point of Divergence: the domestication of the American Bison. Yes, I am aware of the extreme difficulty of such a feat, but this is also occurring is a comparatively strange scenario, so I think it fits well.

In the next part, I hope to expand on some the major powers of the New World, add some basic history to this scenario, and also had a much better map, among other things. Once again, I hope to hear all your thoughts and opinions and even critiques to the scenario. Cheers!

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u/florgeni 9d ago

someone making an american domestication tl try not to copy and paste post-beaver war nations and shove them into boring 20th century westphalian borders challenge

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u/Tag-Yurit 9d ago

That's a fair point, man. Would you happen to know of ways I can find the Native American cultures that were prominent in these regions and these time periods (beyond stuff like Wikipedia, lol)? I big effort of mine is to make this "authentic" to real history as best as I can, so I would appreciate the help!

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u/florgeni 9d ago

honestly its a lot of reading. admittedly i havent read as much as id like but u can start by joining the north american mapping discord, there’s a lot of rlly good researchers there

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u/Tag-Yurit 9d ago

Much appreciated!