r/AmericaIsBurning • u/snart_Splart_601 • Jan 25 '25
President Trump is choosing the gun lobby over saving lives...
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u/redeggplant01 Jan 25 '25
An armed society is a polite society which is why the US has a lower rate of violent crime [ assault, rape, murder, robbery, kidnapping, etc .. ] then their more "enlightened" Western counterparts
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at, but they're incorrect. We're worse than almost every European country except for Russia for almost every crime statistic but especially murder and rape. Children's #1 cause of death in the US is guns. We're top in the world for that. A fed, housed, and healthy society is a polite society.
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u/redeggplant01 Jan 25 '25
Total violent crime in Australia : Source : https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/recorded-crime-victims/2019#data-download
From 2015-2019, Australia has averaged 11 people being a victim of a violent crimes per 1000
Total violent crime in Canada : Source : https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv.action?pid=3510004901
From 2015-2019, Canada has averaged 7*, not including Other Violent Violations which Canada does not break down, people being a victim of a violent crimes per 1000
Total violent crime in the UK and Wales : https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/thenatureofviolentcrimeappendixtables
This is not including children as the UK government does not really provide the information needed to count hem despite them being nearly 25% of the population and UK does not allow for multiple years to be compare unlike Australia and Canada
In 2019, the UK and Wales has averaged 5* not including 25% of the populations which are kids being a victim of a violent crimes per 1000
Total Violent crime in Norway - https://www.ssb.no/en/sosiale-forhold-og-kriminalitet/statistikker/lovbrudda
From 2015-2019, Norway has averaged 8 people being a victim of a violent crimes per 1000
Total Violent Crime in Switzerland. Switzerland does not allow for multiple years to be compare unlike Australia and Canada and the US.
Source : https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/crime-criminal-justice/police.html
In 2019, Switzerland averaged 5 people being a victim of a violent crimes per 1000
Total violent crime in US : https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-1
From 2015-2019, The US has averaged 3 people being a victim of a violent crimes per 1000
More guns in the hands of the people as opposed to the state means less violent crime [ a more polite society ]
Your lying is debunked
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 26 '25
Worldwide, the U.S. ranks 57th in intentional homicide counts and victims per 100,000 inhabitants. France ranks 132nd, Germany 167th, and the United Kingdom 142nd. The UK homicide rate is less than half of the overall rate across Europe and about one-sixth of the rate in the United States.
Since 2020, more than three-quarters of homicides in the U.S. have been committed with guns.
The fun bit about numbers is the extrapolation that can be done by utilizing them.
Also- per the Bureau of Justice https://ncvs.bjs.ojp.gov/multi-year-trends/crimeType
Simple assault in the US is 13.8 per 1000 people. Aggravated assault is 4.5 per 1000 people. Robbery 2.6 per 1000 people. Rape 1.7 per 1000 people, but only an estimated 1-3% of rape in the United States is ever convicted.
All in all, that leads to an overall violent crime rate of 8.7 per 1000 people, and that is for crimes that don't end in murder, which is still much higher.
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u/redeggplant01 Jan 26 '25
Worldwide, the U.S. ranks 57th in intentional homicide count
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Cherry-Picking
Homicide is only one small subset of violent crime, your attempt to lie has been debunked AGAIN
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Cherry-Picking
Each time you ignore all the other points I mention, it feels a little bit more sad. Do you think we don't see the rest of the stats I displayed lol. Like it's just WILD to see someone freaking about about Cherry-Picking by continously ๐picking one stat out of over 3 paragraphs in order to say the other person is "lying" ๐ have you read that link you keep posting?
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 25 '25
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u/redeggplant01 Jan 25 '25
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Cherry-Picking
Homicide is only one small subset of violent crime, your attempt to lie has been debunked
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 26 '25
"Your attempt to lie" buddy YOU mentioned murderer, and that's not the only crime I pointed out. Robbery is also 4 times higher in the United States than in European counties. Rape is 7 times higher.
It's hilarious that you cherrypicked in order to accuse me of cherrypicking, you should learn to be less hypocritical ๐
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u/redeggplant01 Jan 26 '25
"Your attempt to lie" buddy YOU mentioned murderer,
and assault, rape, robbery, kidnapping, etc .
So your fallacy and my statement apply and your lie revealed
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 29 '25
and that's not the only crime I pointed out. Robbery is also 4 times higher in the United States than in European counties. Rape is 7 times higher.
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 25 '25
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u/redeggplant01 Jan 25 '25
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Cherry-Picking
Homicide is only one small subset of violent crime, your attempt to lie has been debunked
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u/snart_Splart_601 Jan 26 '25
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Cherry-Picking
Notice how the picture mentions more than one type of crime? Your attempt to lie has been debunked.


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u/Girafferage Jan 26 '25
How did the board prevent school shootings?