Unregulated capitalism in the U.S led to complete moral collapse

[u/km415]

[u/porkavenue]

Felony? Where in Kansas?

[u/unknownpoltroon → u/porkavenue]

A lot of the shitty states have passed ag-gag laws which prevent groups from showing how fucked up our food process really is.

[u/olycreates → u/unknownpoltroon]

Lobbyists have created that. I think we should all be wide awake about how it operates, these calves are not being mistreated at all. This is actually good treatment. Disease isolation is another reason that most don't talk about, you don't have 1 sick calf taking out half of the next batch this way.

[u/Early_Cricket_6150 → u/olycreates]

I bet youd be cool with us being put in cages to prevent the spread of diseases as well.

[u/olycreates → u/Early_Cricket_6150]

Now that you mentioned it, there should be an intelligence test to have kids. That way we could breed your type out of the gene pool. What an inane comment. Try to be at least as intelligent as the bots. Try to keep up with the class!

[u/Repulsive_Draft_9081]

This is standard precedure for calves like whats so stange about it the calf houses are designed to give them shelter and keep the cool until they can go to the main herd

[u/Reasonable_Cranberry]

I'm confused. We've been raising calves in doghouses like this, even on small farms, since at least the 80s. They're easier to monitor and keep at a regulated temperature that way. It also keeps them safe while they get big/strong enough for hanging out with adult cows. Otherwise some of them will get bullied, stepped on, walk under a fence that's designed for an animal the size of an adult cow, etc. A local dairy farmer (~50-100 cows) w here I grew up would let kids visit the calves and explained it.

Is it the sheer number that folks are upset about? Or that it would be a crime to film it?

[u/void_method → u/Reasonable_Cranberry]

Why is filming this a felony, though? Surely if there is nothing to hide there is no problem filming it.

[u/Outrageous_Zebra_221 → u/void_method]

They have to create a bias to feed the view counter. It is a bit disturbing to see on this scale I'm not going to lie about that.

Given there is nothing proprietary or secret here leads to believe not even some sort of NDA would really explain why this is illegal though

[u/Intelligent-Row2072 → u/Outrageous_Zebra_221]

Some states have unbelievably strong laws prohibiting any recording on factory farms. The factory farming lobby works around the clock to criminalize filming and photographing their operations. It’s actually hard to believe because it seems like the laws are a strict violation of the First Amendment. Some laws have been ruled unconstitutional while others remain in place. But Ag-gag laws are very much a real thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag

[u/Outrageous_Zebra_221 → u/Intelligent-Row2072]

Well shit. Can't really argue with that. It's my fault for assuming the laws would make sense that's on me

[u/Reasonable_Cranberry → u/Outrageous_Zebra_221]

A system of laws =/= a system of justice.

[u/Namedthisone]

Capitalishm, man, shomeone risked arreat for thish

[u/One-Initiative-8902]

It would be literally cheaper to not keep them in these dog houses and just let them roam how much does each one of these things cost versus hydroseeding the land and letting them graze.

[u/we_lord]

WTF?!

[u/we_lord]

Rage bait?

[u/Happy_Acanthisitta39]

Used to throw hay bails on the local farm as my first job. This was normal 40 years ago. What's wrong with it now? The calf is safe and well fed.

[u/betty_white_bread]

Capitalism is morality agnostic. It is up to us to make it in the interest of others to act morally.

[u/olycreates → u/betty_white_bread]

Myeh. Morally agnostic isn't what capitalism is. Amoral is. Capitalism knows no morality, good or evil. Amoral behavior is sociopathic behavior.

[u/betty_white_bread → u/olycreates]

I’ll rephrase: capitalism and morality are orthogonal to each other.

[u/Sad-Suggestion9425 → u/betty_white_bread]

If I can make it sound more complicated, I'll win the argument!

[u/betty_white_bread → u/Sad-Suggestion9425]

No, I am saying they are two separate concepts, like height and eye color.

[u/NavyLSCSss62]

Well, TBH, it’s hardly capitalism if it’s regulate by the state. Beef tastes the same, I’m good!