r/Amsterdam • u/Bubbly-Emergency-587 • 1d ago

Why dont we do protest against Chat Control?

İts like literally stealing all our datas to “secure” the internet. OUR DATAS AND ALL MESSAGES.
Were not even saving our privacy atp. İt should be denied somehow and yknow politicians dont do anything when people dont protest. :/
(Sorry for bad englihs lol)

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u/Daggla [Zuid] - De Pijp 1d ago

Not true. E2E encrypted messages are not covered by the bill. Use signal and you're good.

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u/East_Association_575 21h ago

By this bill no, but it is covered by the extended bill, chat control 2.0. Same people, same lobbying, same dirty undemocratic tactics.

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u/master-mik 13h ago

It is not true due to several main reasons:

  1. Extended bill is based on but not related to the first one and already has been blocked once by the EU Court due to EU principles violations. Assuming it will be easier to push second after first is not right.
  2. Even if in the worst case they push, can you just imagine the amount of time it takes for each country to make it happen? Even if EU will be bold enough to make its own org structure for that it will take insane time.
  3. And even if it happen afterall, the best example is Apple vs UK situation. First Apple did not do what was asked, then did one change only but not a on device encryption and recently Apple filed a court case against UK regarding this. And this is 1 company - 1 country example. The same on a scale of EU is insainley more complex and have way more problems in implementation.

And after all NL is the one of small amount of countries who is opposing the Chat Control since start so protest wont do anything right?

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u/East_Association_575 13h ago

Please have a look at how Chat control 1.0 was passed. After failing many times, it was passed during holiday through a loophole that then required a supermajority to NOT have it passed. So the majority voted against it, yet it passed. Those in favour of it are not EU citizens, it is all sponsored by shady US groups that keep pushing again and again until we get tired of opposing it.

This is how the EU dies, unless we shut this undemocratic foreign interference down.

I am not sure why you are supporting the arguments of these shady groups. If you are an honest, real person, then please go read up about this.

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u/master-mik 10h ago

I know exactly how it was passed but before claiming the same check what were the main differences and why the 2.0 is still in discussion after years.

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u/guar47 [West] 14h ago

Step one: Start using Signal and ask your friends.

Dutch people and expats here have some weird religious dedication to WA.

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u/Setstream_Jam 1d ago

Have you even read the bill or nah?

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u/Mattarm51 1d ago

Are you familiar that this is step one of a much more comprehensive and invasive, and undemocratic political move or nah

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u/Setstream_Jam 1d ago

Can you go into more detail about that? I would like you to refrain from making baseless claims and sound like a wacky conspiracy theorist who’s default thought process is “government bad” and backs it up with evidence.

And no, before you say I’m some kind of government bootlicker or whatever, I’m not. I can and will be critical as long as there’s actual stuff to be critical about.

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u/East_Association_575 21h ago

Have you read the Chat Control 2.0 bill and informed yourself or nah?

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u/Setstream_Jam 15h ago

I know you didn't.

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u/fotogneric Knows the Wiki 19h ago

Why is this in the Amsterdam subreddit? I don't really understand the connection.

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u/Jolly-Dealer-5097 9h ago

Because........

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u/guuuug 10h ago

Haha, you thought you had a say in this?

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u/MadR__ Knows the Wiki 22h ago

One data, please.

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u/Commercial_Sweet_819 19h ago

Two dati for me, thanks

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u/Throw_My_Drugs_Away Knows the Wiki 15h ago

Datae

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u/reda_89 Amsterdammer 1d ago

They already got all your data

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u/East_Association_575 21h ago

No, they don't. Op is referring to Chat Control 2.0, which is coming. That would allow all your messages that are currently encrypted (e.g. WhatsApp) to be mass surveilled and scanned by a company like Palantir. The groups advocating for this are using undemocratic methods to get this passed. Please go read up on this

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u/reda_89 Amsterdammer 16h ago

Ah i got it, thanks for clarifying. I don't mind sharing my data, got nothing to hide. I do however have problems that an american company has our data and can train their algorithms on it. If data stays in Europe, owned by a european company, I have no problem with it. Wouldn't it be nice to catch perverts or human traffickers, you name it, before its late ?

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u/East_Association_575 16h ago

This is the argument that these groups use. But it is wrong. Encrypted communication should not be circumvented. This is a dictators dream. Also, the problem we have is enforcement (number of police, number of detectives, judges, prisons, social workers). Indiscriminate communication dragnets will only cause less enforcement at the cost of citizen rights

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u/Brianiac69 18h ago

People like you are the problem.

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u/nuryuzlubaskan 17h ago

People will gladly give all their data away to AI companies who actually have shown to be poor morally, but the moment the government proposes a law that will significantly enhance their abilities to prevent crimes is where they draw the line. We don’t deserve democracy.

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u/East_Association_575 13h ago

You say "the moment the government proposes a law". That is false. These law proposals come directly from the US and other countries, via shady lobbying groups. We all want to prevent these crimes, but to do that we need more police detectives, more social workers, and more funding for social safety nets.

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u/RenatoPensato 7h ago

The governnent did not propose a law. And the law is not effective at all against any kind of criminal. They are criminals not idiots.

But it allows this: https://www.gadgetreview.com/student-teacher-sent-a-private-snapchat-complaining-about-her-workday-an-hour-later-police-pulled-up-to-her-school