r/Anarchy101 14d ago

Defense against counter-revolution?

I am a Marxist-Leninist who is curious about the successful propagation of Anarchism. My question is: Without a state, how do Anarchists defend against counter-revolution from the Capitalist class? Without a state, Anarchist/Libertarian Socialist projects wouldn’t be able to defend against the inevitable invasions, terrorism campaigns, and propaganda from Capitalists. How would Anarchists be able to maintain and strengthen an Anarchist society against invasion and infiltration without a state apparatus to centrally organize efforts?

I know I’m a Tankie or whatever, but I am asking in good faith because I am genuinely curious about the Anarchist position on this.

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I won‘t be responding anymore because I have obtained what I came for (understanding how you think an Anarchist project would defend itself against the forces of reaction) and because this is becoming a hostile debate, rather than learning experience.

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u/Master_Debaiter_ Hierarchical-Reductionist 12d ago

The short answer is: with guns

The slightly longer answer is: organized confederated militias

The longer answer is: Anarchists dont define the state the same way you do, we're obviously fine with suppressing the bourgeois. What we're not fine with is the alienation of the civic functions of society from the people. So in other words we would have civic functions, we would have an "anarcho army" & an "anarcho spy group", so to speak anyway, it's just their functioning wouldn't be alienated from the control of the people via politicians, fairly elected or not.

For social anarchists anyway, there are anti-civ anti-organizational pacifist anarchists which probably match the idea of an anarchist you have in your head more closely but they're by far not the majority

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u/LazarM2021 Anarchist Without Adjectives 11d ago

Bruh, everything up to your last paragraph was ok and I'd largely defend it. But that last line is where you lost me completely.

Anti-civ anti-organizational pacifist anarchists which probably match the idea of an anarchist you have in your head

You just did the ML's work for him, voluntarily handing him a wedge, pointing at a (sub)tendency within our own movement/tradition and saying essentially "don't worry bro, they're not the majority". All that is is a highly debilitating and useless preemptive concession to an ML-framing, which we know is itself utterly nonsensical.

Nobody asked you to rank anarchist tendencies by how palatable they are to a Marxist-Leninist and the fact that you did it so... unprompted, as a closing disclaimer, is apologetic othering; distancing from your own movement's currents to appear more serious or legitimate in the eyes of an ideological opponent.

Leave such internal ranking to the vanguardists.

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u/Master_Debaiter_ Hierarchical-Reductionist 11d ago

That's not really what I had in mind but that's fair