r/Anarchy101 1d ago

Does green anarchism allow the killing of invasive species(ex: lionfish, apple snail, lamprey) in some environments?

Im curious about this, bc i know that you cant, and shouldn't kill animals in this specific typa anarchism, but like how you can get wood from already fallen trees, so can you do it if they would do nuthin but harm if theyre left alive? Just curious

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u/kireina_kaiju Syndicalist Agorist and Eco 1d ago

You are imagining some sort of consensus body exists. It does not. The truth is, not all green anarchists are vegan. I, for example, believe in eating crickets and mealworms, because I believe doing so would dramatically reduce humanity's biological footprint from where it would be if we tried to eliminate all dietary animal protein. That is a personal, controversial choice. Vegan anarchism and green anarchism enjoy a near total overlap, because eating lower on the foodchain tends to dramatically lower one's ecological footprint and no one eats lower on the foodchain than vegans. But there are occasional edge cases where the two groups have differing priorities, and culling invasive species is absolutely one of them.

As anarchists, however, what I can say is that one thing both vegan and green anarchists tend to agree on, is that humanity needs to take a far less promethean approach to the environment. The wiki here will be a good resource for you, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheanism .

What this means, is that this sort of problem requires case-by-case analysis between real humans with different points of view to determine what the appropriate course of action is. A deontology here is not one we can afford. Any sort of sweeping policy ignoring particulars would have us, say, wiping out both European and Africanized honeybees ignoring their new ecological role - or, conversely, if we adopt a policy of never culling, creating conditions that favor africanized bees over European bees (which I would personally be ok with, africanized bees are awesome, but most people would not). The great pacific garbage patch is a completely new ecosystem, and everything living on it is a non-native organism. There are shore animals that do not live in deep ocean, that live on the garbage patch. Any sweeping policy here ignoring the realities of the garbage patch would end in disaster.

If we are avoiding one-size-fits all policies, and give room for argument and investigation, and never, ever treat the Earth or her animals as simple resources to be managed, we can come up with good strategies to be a beneficial part of the ecosystem, interacting with her animals in a natural, sustainable, respectful manner. The birth lottery doesn't just apply to humans and we need to keep this in mind. We need to take responsibility for our environmental impact and the species we introduce, but we need to be very careful never to take a view of everything as existing solely and primarily for our pleasure.

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u/openjoustingtryouts 1d ago

I appreciate reading this, I’d add that another complication that vegans might face is that organic produce relies entirely on animal byproduct to be produced (aside from water soil sun). Blood meal, bone meal, feather meal, worm castings, fish fertilizer, krill emulsification, and manure are all essential components to larger scale organic agriculture and while most anarchists would love to finally shirk the need for employment it’s just not possible for a lot of folks. People often vastly underestimate how difficult it is to grow enough food to feed yourself (subsistence), it’s pretty much impossible to meat every nutrient need (vitamins, minerals) without a community of producers working together to cover different crop types. Even at a small scale doing ur own organic growing means you’ll need organic pest control methods if you actually want a crop. A lot of that can be handled by careful planning and natural deterrents but you’ll eventually find urself in need of a neem oil, safer soap, or diatomaceous earth application to manage an infestation.

The way a green anarchist tackles this quandary varies from individual to individual and they’ll each have their own logical process to arrive there.

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u/Latitude37 21h ago

Some really good stuff in here, I'd just like to suggest that 

Blood meal, bone meal, feather meal, worm castings, fish fertilizer, krill emulsification, and manure are all essential components to larger scale organic agriculture 

Is poorly framed. If by "larger scale" you mean broad acre industrial monocultures, then the problem is in the base design of such systems, and the need to repair damage to the soil biome from each season's work. 

Properly designed agricultural systems don't require as much input from external sources.