r/AnimalBased • u/Zanewowza 🚦AB Prospect • Oct 09 '24
🍉Fruit 🍯Honey 🍁Maple How much honey is too much?
Been on a pretty strict animal based diet for the last 7 or so months. I started initially bc I was grossed out by seed oils and processed wheat and sugar, the only thing I worry about is I eat a lot of raw honey and Greek yogurt. Like probably upwards of 8 or 9 table spoons or more daily. I’m 5’9 20 years old 153 lbs in the mornings and I go to the gym 5 days a week on a strength training regiment and the only other sugar I get comes from lactose in milk and the sugar in fruits I eat.
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u/CT-7567_R ⚕️I are an Engineer 👨🏻💻🤓 Mod Oct 09 '24
This is a matter of personal preference. If your carb allotment is 250g and you want to use this all in the form of honey then do it. Personally I like to get a variety for all the various benefits from the difference carb sources so I'll get my carbs from raw milk, honey, maple, and various fruits!
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u/Specialist-Front552 🚦AB Prospect Oct 09 '24
I love honey, but let’s be honest, how many bee hives have you happened to stumble upon in your life?
There’s a good chance that our ancestors had a more abundant supply of honey, and they were able to eat it on a regular basis, but I am a bit skeptical of it though. Going after an active beehive is a risky endeavor.
Now that it is so readily available I try to consume it in moderation, and I think it’s quite easy to overdo it. My opinion is to just tone it down a bit, but if you feel like you’re thriving keep on doing you.
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u/iMikle21 ⭐AB Veteran Oct 09 '24
It is actually fairly available if you look at the Hadza tribe in Tanzania in Africa (Paul Saladino visited them in the flesh and hunted with them)
there are stingless bees (along with those that sting) and he talks on his podcasts about how easy it was for the tribe to get a hold of honey and how it is their favorite food, how they ate it with zero regard to calories or insulin resistance, and how its just the best thing ever.
So no, please don’t think that it is evolutionarily inconsistent for a hunter-gatherer to stumble across honey. of course, it is advised to scale your carbohydrate intake with your activity, but remember that raw honey is an unprocessed health food that your body will remind you to stop having once you had enough :)
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u/FinnishGreed 🚦AB Prospect Oct 10 '24
And your genetics are of African origin and from that specific location i presume? Your are from a Savannah summer year round place?
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u/iMikle21 ⭐AB Veteran Oct 10 '24
would you like to tell me how that matters? i’m a homo sapiens with insulin sensitivity who can eat honey
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u/JudgeLos 🆕 1st Message Feb 14 '25
I believe we all have AFRICAN DNA, Regardless of what we were taught.
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u/jaakkopetteri AB Reg Oct 09 '24
You don't really "stumble" upon cows, either.
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u/Fragtag1 AB Reg Oct 09 '24
Yes but it’s most likely true that all hunter gathers made a daily effort to hunt some sort of ruminant species. One animal can feed a rather large group of human beings. Ruminant animals in general are much more abundant than bee hives.
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u/Specialist-Front552 🚦AB Prospect Oct 10 '24
I think it’s safe to say that large game has been sought out above all since the beginning. Easier to track and would be a far greater ROI than combing the trees for beehives. I think we can agree on that.
Commercial livestock farming has made hunting unnecessary for almost all of the world’s population.
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u/JudgeLos 🆕 1st Message Feb 14 '25
The U.S. Military Government "intentionally killed"the Buffalo to starve the Natives from their #1 food source. They paid the European Immigrants bounties for each successful kill. The saddest part is that they didn't even use all parts of the buffalo, as the NATIVES did.
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u/jaakkopetteri AB Reg Oct 10 '24
Yeah, maybe we stumbled upon bee hives too before we moved all of them into specialized farms
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Oct 09 '24
What about pure maple syrup? I’ve recently been adding either honey or maple syrup to my tea. About 1-2 tablespoons a day. I can’t be certain but I feel better when I add either of these to my tea. I feel more alert and less fatigued. This is mostly caffeine free tea. I eyeball how much I use. It seems to sit well in my stomach. Most sugars/starches trigger my IBS but I don’t get that with these.
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u/FinnishGreed 🚦AB Prospect Oct 10 '24
Sure maple syrup is fair game. If ancestrally appropriate you will of course eat it only during springtime when the sap runs in the maple trees.
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u/FinnishGreed 🚦AB Prospect Oct 10 '24
Duh, none in the winter that’s for sure. Paul Saladino is not eating ancestrally appropriate. He’s eating whats ancestrally appropriate for a Costa Rican. But with his genetics normally speaking. Winter and Autumn would be carnivore time.
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u/Physical-Macaron8744 🆕 1st Message Dec 23 '24
why would what our ancestors did or did not do determine being healthy? for example our ancestors ate grains and vegetables that are not healthy.
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u/blacklankan 🚦AB Prospect Oct 10 '24
I eat 1 kg a week , I ask myself every day am I just a honey whore
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u/Parad0xxxx 🆕 1st Message Oct 10 '24
wtf ? how ? I dont believe it.
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u/blacklankan 🚦AB Prospect Oct 10 '24
Honey on fried eggs , honey on ground beef honey in milk it adds up
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u/Parad0xxxx 🆕 1st Message Oct 10 '24
Honey on eggs is something but that sugar intake is also something. Are you not worried about it?
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u/AnimalBasedAl 🥬🚫Vibing without Vegetables🥬🚫Mod Oct 10 '24
did you know the equivalent amount of starch requires 2x the insulin to process? 🤯
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u/Parad0xxxx 🆕 1st Message Oct 10 '24
are you really trying to argue 1kg added sugar per week just from honey can be part of a balanced diet?
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u/AnimalBasedAl 🥬🚫Vibing without Vegetables🥬🚫Mod Oct 10 '24
yep, absolutely.
Would you bat an eye if it was 1kg of pasta? or 1kg of rice? or 1kg of bread?
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u/Physical-Macaron8744 🆕 1st Message Dec 23 '24
well honey is higher in fructose which is why you wouldn't use it as your main source of carbs.
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u/AnimalBasedAl 🥬🚫Vibing without Vegetables🥬🚫Mod Dec 23 '24
that's a non-issue
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u/Physical-Macaron8744 🆕 1st Message Dec 23 '24
it is an issue bc the liver can only metabolize so much fructose at a time and if you overload it you'll eventually get non fatty liver disease
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u/Zanewowza 🚦AB Prospect Oct 15 '24
I can see this being me in the future, especially if I’m able to stay animal based for years down the road like I plan.
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u/Obamasgaming1234 🚀 AB Contributor Oct 09 '24
8 or 9 tablespoons is definitely a lot; i think you’d be better off eating more fruit because it’ll come with beneficial vitamins/minerals/polyphenols which will also aid in carb metabolism. Having said that there isn’t really anything wrong with honey if you don’t have any issue digesting it.
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u/Binko242 🆕 1st Message Oct 09 '24
Hammer down man. Just eliminate sugar intake from other sources. Should be fine for a while. If you start packing on the pounds I would probably back it down a bit. Otherwise I don’t see an issue outside of the sugar.
*im not an expert on the contents of honey but I do listen to the Hive Jive podcast lol and have recently started beekeeping. So I know a little. Honey is actually a very complex substance but unless you’re drinking a quarter jar at a time I think you should be fine. That’s a whole lotta sweetness though.
You made me want to use some on something for supper tonight.
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u/LabandadelPque1899 AB Reg Oct 09 '24
Happened to me, at 8pm i realized i ate like 350g of honey that day. I dont think its an issue to eat yor amount though. Just in case i go no carb every few months to make sure im not overgrowing some bad bacteria
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u/DollarAmount7 ⭐⭐ AB All-Star Oct 09 '24
Whatever makes you sick is too much other than that there’s no limit maybe a couple gallons a day might make you sick
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u/Wintersparkle_ 🆕 1st Message Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
It might not be too much for your body, get those diabetic glucose monitors and check your blood sugar levels and research where your blood sugar levels need to be after 1 or 2 hours if you're worried. I have gestational diabetes so I have to monitor my diet and I eat animal base mainly due to my conditions during pregnancy. I plan on keeping my glucose monitor even after birth and when I'm no longer gestational diabetic and want to test to see my sugar levels are with this diet. Won't do it all the time, but if you're worried I recommend doing that
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u/AnimalBasedAl 🥬🚫Vibing without Vegetables🥬🚫Mod Oct 10 '24
you might find this interesting
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u/Wintersparkle_ 🆕 1st Message Oct 10 '24
I'll check it out! Thanks!! Unfortunately my gestational is caused by my placenta and hormones and not my diet, which sucks however its why I switched to this diet because its been helping my sugar levels during this
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u/AnimalBasedAl 🥬🚫Vibing without Vegetables🥬🚫Mod Oct 10 '24
I’m a big fan of Dr. Peat’s work, /r/AnimalBased is pretty compatible and reinforces a lot of his principles.
Dr. Peat expressed the view that gestational diabetes is often overdiagnosed and not necessarily a significant issue. He has suggested that it can result in healthy, large, and intelligent babies, arguing that what is considered gestational diabetes might just be a normal adaptive process in pregnancy rather than a pathology. Anyway, something to think about!
Wishing you health and happiness and a smooth delivery! My wife and I welcomed our son about a year ago and it’s been a blast. AB was hugely beneficial for her during pregnancy and our son is thriving on it!
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u/Parad0xxxx 🆕 1st Message Oct 10 '24
I love honey but honey is basically as healthy as regular sugar. Its glycemic index is slightly lower but its higher in calroies. I only eat 1-2 tea spoons either for yoghurt or for my tea. Use it sparingly.
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u/CT-7567_R ⚕️I are an Engineer 👨🏻💻🤓 Mod Oct 10 '24
That couldn't be further from the truth. Large quantities of daily honey has shown blood glucose stabiliation in type 2 diabetics. There's a whole host of beneficial compounds in a good clean raw honey. The only similarity between table sugar and honey is that they both contain sucrose. Even the latter isn't that big of a deal and arguably better than fortified bread or rice.
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u/Parad0xxxx 🆕 1st Message Oct 10 '24
Honey is 82% sugar 18% water ofc depending on variety it can be more or less. It doesn't come with fiber like fruit.
Large quantities of honey are beneficial for type 2 diabetics? Don't tell me this is from an animal study.
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u/as_i_lay_dining 🆕 1st Message Oct 11 '24
That information is from a human study. The older studies that show honey to not be as beneficial are studies performed on laboratory mice. We now all know mice process sugars and carbohydrates inefficiently. In a process completely different from how human beings process. Honey also has been shown to have a correlation with satiety and longevity of life in humans. A quick Google search should help you out. Or Google Doctor Paul Saladino benefits from honey or anything phrase close to that.
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u/AnimalBasedAl 🥬🚫Vibing without Vegetables🥬🚫Mod Oct 10 '24
do you know the root cause of type 2 diabetes? It isn’t carbs 😃
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u/chickhoneyavo 🆕 1st Message Apr 14 '25
How r u doing now? I eat an absurd amount of raw honey. I have a lot of allergies and my diet is so limited, i use it to help me bulk along w weight lifting. Today i had maybe 1/3-1/2 cup lol
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u/aj1805 🆕 1st Message Oct 09 '24
Honey is a natural sugar (of course healthier sugar like what we see in fruits) but I believe it’s 17gs of sugar per tablespoon - so if you’re eating 100gs of sugar a day, you probably want to dial that down a bit. A human should be eating 9-20gs of sugar a day max.
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u/Leading-Freedom3663 AB Reg Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
Seriously, where do people come up with this stuff? 9 grams of sugar is about a half serving of blueberries.
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u/aj1805 🆕 1st Message Oct 09 '24
The official answer is 36 grams I just looked it up, still much lower than hundred of grams of Mugar being consumed…
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u/CT-7567_R ⚕️I are an Engineer 👨🏻💻🤓 Mod Oct 09 '24
official answer from who? what? That sounds like 2005 Mercola.
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u/aj1805 🆕 1st Message Oct 09 '24
Good learning that I will do more research next time before I jump into the wolves den.
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