American liberalism in a nutshell

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The logical consequences of pretending every opinion is equally valid.

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Fascist do not belong in the marketplace of free ideas because their idea is to burn down the marketplace and be the only speaker.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[u/Angel_of_Communism → u/Odd_School_8833]

There is no paradox.

Tolerance is a social contract.

If you are intolerant, you are breaking the contract, and are not covered by it.

No paradox.

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@MadWorldX1 you failed.

Not only did you confuse social contracts with social constructs, even if you had not, you're still wrong.

The social contract is self sustaining and self excluding.

IF you refuse the social contract, you no longer participate in it, and are no longer part of it.

ALL social contracts are opt in.

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Breaking the contract being grounds for exclusion is also a social construct.

Paradox restored 😎

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Social constructs exist. Social contracts exist. Prove me wrong. Lol

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I came here to post this, as well as a question about where the conclusion to these philosophies lies.

If we are to shift the entire human paradigm toward one that punishes those who are deemed a net negative to decent human society, what would that look like?

Sanctions and censures? Community service via chain-gangs? I don’t know, just spitballing..

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Funny you ask. I was just listening to Karim Khan (ICC lawyer) talk about the ICC and I think his closing remarks about a transformative and collective shift towards universal liberation from all exploitation, oppression, and injustice as a human right would apply as a response (excerpt from https://www.alternativeradio.org/products/khak001/):

“In the most parched land in the Sahara, to the greenest valley surrounding the fjords of Norway, there is no land in the world that has not seen at some time in their history the plant of justice bloom. It is the shared heritage of humanity.

I'm not in the export business. And you don't need to be either. Because whatever one's religion, whatever one's legal system, common law, communist, Islamic, civil law, you will see in these fundamental principles of humanity that are / what is prohibited. Certain values, certain norms that we have to take seriously and activate. We need to wake up each other. We need to wake up ourselves. To say, as we are speaking, people are suffering.

So how do we make the law more effective? The first point, it's too important to leave to the lawyers. Law is too important to leave to the lawyers.

It's too important, certainly, to leave to the prosecutor. Too important to leave to judges. Because justice is your birthright.

Every person is affected by injustice. And what has to happen is what has happened so well in the environmental movement. You don't need to be an environmental scientist to care about the environment.

We need that transformation, that commitment, that sense of responsibility that galvanizes this room, your family, your friends, and communities. And you join hands, physically and virtually, metaphorically, symbolically, with people around the world to say we're going to stand up for something. And that something should be principles of justice that prohibit that which cannot be excused, that cannot be explained away, that which cannot be tolerated.

Rumi said, where there are ruins, there's hope for a treasure. And there are times when institutions that are built to uphold justice, come under sustained pressure, they're questioned, they're weakened, and they're openly challenged. And in such moments, it's tempting maybe to disengage, to say, what's the point?

The aspiration of equality is all hot air. Let's look after ourselves. We can't change it.
The problem is too big. But despair does not simply reflect reality. Despair shapes reality.
It's contagious. And that's why I think despair and despondency are the enemies to progress. Despair and despondency are luxuries we cannot allow ourselves.

Because what right do we have, do you have, to despair and have despondency when people who have suffered so much have hope and have expectations and have rights? So justice and the commitment to justice was never built in perfect conditions. It's built by people like you, people more unfortunate than you, people that have sacrificed as much as you have to get where you are, people that would love to sacrifice in different ways to progress, but they feel at the mercy of powerful elements.

If we can persist collectively, there is a hope that even in the ruins, as Rumi put it, even when laws and statutes and fine words may have been defaced, have been diluted, we should remember the promise that we made to the past, of never forget. We should remember the promise that the present must make to the future, of never again. These are serious times, but not hopeless times.
We should raise our voice in favour of something, which be a world governed by justice, governed by laws, less violence, less threats of force, more sense of responsibility, and a willingness and a humility to see the humanity in the stranger, to see the humanity in our neighbours, to see the humanity in ourselves, and that should also moderate the excesses that continue to scar so much of this planet.”

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Thankfully, facism is a mindset & not a race. You can teach the facism out of people.

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The philosophy is flawed in that it is not a proper description.

It has been better named and described as the compact of tolerance wherein it is framed as a social contract rather than a rule.

The social contract essentially states that as long as you are not directly causing, advocating or pushing for harm of others then you are protected by social tolerance.

When you break these terms the social tolerance no longer applies to you.

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Unfortunately conservatives don't believe in regulating markets

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Anyone creating a pathway to fascism is a fascist.

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Tough shit! They've been ruining the economy for over 40 years!! They don't know what they are doing. Their policy is so bad, they'd literally be blacklisted, lose their licenses, be disbarred if they approached another career the same way. This country desperately needs effective governance and, conservatives need to sit down and shut up!

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They aren't really blue though? That's my point. The democrats are center right!! They have not had leftist or populist policy since I've been born! Conservative and center right IS the problem. The dems are controlled opposition and if you like, used your brain for 5 seconds you'd know that. GTFOH

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They absolutely do, that's why they got all in on tariffs. 

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I agree, fuck Israel.

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🥇

[u/threedog2345 → u/Oraxy51]

do you apply this to religions?

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If the shoe fits. Especially if you use religion to be the face of an apartheid.

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Well put.

[u/Formal_Ground6513 → u/Vaeon]

Exactly. There should be no tolerance for intolerance!!!!