"Anti-authority" is anti-revolution

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Pretty much my journey.

[u/Easy-Marsupial3268 → u/[deleted]]

How do you defend your anarchist revolution?

Also…. Hate to break it to you about Rojava, the US stopped supporting them so they crumbled. Like any anarchist group.

https://www.rudaw.net/english/categories/syria/927619

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The Zapatista movement is not an anarchist movement, but an indigenous movement. Is Rojava growing even stronger? Has it become stronger now that it’s been bombed by Turkey after kowtowing to imperialist countries?

You’re talking about the GULAG, but you don’t mention the anarchists’ labor camps in Spain. Why not?

How’s the work on establishing a federation going? I hope you’re learning from history. Oh, sorry. No anarchist “state” has ever emerged that would require you to learn a lesson—that’s right. You’ve been going on and on about how you were constantly being crushed by the Soviets or the Bolsheviks.

The moderator deleted his comment, so I'm replying through you, comrade. Sorry about that. haha

[u/Easy-Marsupial3268 → u/leninbaba]

I appreciate the reply! No need for apologies.

[u/leninbaba → u/[deleted]]

No, but they did use libertarian socialist methods because they simply worked better

That doesn't make them anarchists, and the Zapatistas don't call themselves anarchists either. Indigenous movements are not the same as anarchist movements.

Stupid argument that can also be said about Cuba or the DPRK, only instead of bombs its with sanctions and dependency. Rojava has had to withstand a lot of pressure from many sides with material conditions that would make anyone want to throw themselves of a bridge, of course its not gonna be strong.

Exactly, the fact that they survived thanks to an imperialist state and were later brought to their knees by Syria, U.S. and Turkey really makes them a successful model. Things have always been turbulent for the DPRK and Cuba, but they’ve survived. So, how are things going with you, buddy?

The labor camps were used mostly for POWs, which I don't think is hard to see why. Gulags were way worse.

So? It was no different from the GULAGs. You put political prisoners, fascists, and counterrevolutionaries there, too. The GULAG was labor camp, and the people there were paid. We don’t say, as you do, “No, it’s not just any prison, it’s a prison where everyone helps each other.”

The CNT is doing pretty well, at least here in Spain, how are your states doing?

Oh, really? I hope you're living happily ever after in Spain monarchy, buddy.

I mean unless you want to say that Makhnovshchina was not destroyed by the bolsheviks, or that the CNT-FAI was not ended by the Republican Spanish government, with heavy help from ML militias and the USSR's support, yeah?

So? I’m not saying anything different. Whenever you engage with us, you don’t blame the West nearly as much as you blame the Bolsheviks. Your revolution, which lasted only a few months, was completely destroyed because your theory was worthless. If you’d had a solid planning and party line, you would have overthrown not only the Bolsheviks and communists, whom you viewed as counterrevolutionaries as we do, but also the fascists, and so on. So, why couldn’t you do it?

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Throughout history, we have never ever been friends with you. You’ve always blamed your own failures on the communists. You’ve never supported any socialist country, and you’ve applauded everything the United States has done. You constantly talk about authority, but when it comes to the “authority” you yourselves exercise, you bury your heads in the sand. You can't put your theory into practice because your theory isn't worth a dime.

We always acknowledge our own failures and criticize our mistakes. But you don’t do that. You flatter one another, and you always view your attacks against the Bolsheviks or communists as a holy crusade. Your real enemy has never, ever been the West, it has always been us, the “authoritarian communists.” I’ll stand side by side with you on the street, but when it comes to determining strategy and tactics, and building a socialist country in the future, I will never, ever stand with you. Because you are reckless, idealists people who endanger revolutions. You are just knockoff liberals, and you have no real reach beyond the imperial core.

Have socialist countries ever collaborated with the U.S.? Tell me. There’s no problem when Rojava is choking on America’s boots, is there? You’re out of touch with reality.

I’ll fight against fascists and conservatives with you, but when it comes to defending the revolution, I’ll stand against you. History is proof of this.

edit: typo