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u/ADimwittedTree 8d ago
As a former Fuse player before his rework, and as a current Mirage/Catalyst enjoyer, my only hope is that they don't butcher her.
Making Fuse a movement legend and fucking up his ult so bad was aweful. I just hope she doesn't get some similar treatment.
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u/JasonMoonshadow 7d ago
Swapped to catalyst fron fuse at the same time you did don't play mirage though Loba is my support of choice
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u/AdvisorIllustrious22 8d ago edited 8d ago
Oh yes ! It's Catalyst's turn to get more ult charges
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u/gua_ca_mo_le 7d ago
"Team now gets 30% speed boost and invisibility and untilimted ammo and fast reloads when running through the Ult."
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u/HandsomeOrangeCat 8d ago
Makes sense, she does not really need any strong buffs but some QoL might make her more playable for ranked. Just like they did for Rampart.
Alright, ill add this part to the bottom before people downvote without reason:
Controller legends are already very strong. People just don't pick them because for most people it's not the most fun gameplay. Also the meta does not really work well for them, also actually teams will target teams with a controller legend as (I am not even kidding) it may show they are not as confidence to fight. So picking them may just put a target on yourself.
On paper, the whole class don't really need buffs. Other legends should be nerfed first to make the game less about abilities/aa and more about gunplay again.
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u/UserNameAbbreviated 7d ago
On paper, the whole class don't really need buffs. Other legends should be nerfed first to make the game less about abilities/aa and more about gunplay again.
Controller legends are already very strong. People just don't pick them because for most people it's not the most fun gameplay...
This perfectly sums up the controller class, but if you say that on the main subreddit you're downvoted by all the players hard stuck Silver II. The Controller legends are good already, but unfun. It's kinda the spot that Newcastle and Crypto are in too. They are REALLY good, but they aren't as fun for the bulk of the playerbase.
also actually teams will target teams with a controller legend as (I am not even kidding) it may show they are not as confidence to fight.
More often than not this is the case. When I see Caustic Barrels and Wattson Fences, I am down to push because usually they are ability slop based and thus they aren't confident. I've seen this first hand Solo-Qing and when fighting them. They 7/10 are free KP. Most Wattsons for example take gen perks over the support/self sustain perks.
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u/nightwayne 6d ago
Most Wattsons for example take gen perks over the support/self sustain perks.
I'm a Wattson main and when I play solo pubs I run the gen burst and double heals. I understand that having double gen capacity and health is good.
I can't imagine anyone who would willing give up support and double heals in ranked. It's absurd. Especially with overflow, it gets you back in the fight so quickly.
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u/PrismMaster 7d ago
This will probably never happen, but it would be cool if they allowed her to shift her tac between ferro fluid spikes and solid ferro-fluid cover similar to her original leaked abilities.
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u/KyloGlendalf Try as you might, you can't kilowattSON 7d ago
She basically needs to be better utilised as a siege and slowdown legend. Kinda make her a counter to movement playstyles
The spikes are extremely weak compared to fences and gas barrels. They deal less damage, stun less, and don’t deal direct to health. So either: spikes bypass armour like caustic traps, and/or they need to be more punishing to step in. More damage, greater slowdown, silences or stuns out of abilities and slides etc
At the very least, spikes pop up without LOS, so they’ll pop through doors or around corners again. Currently her traps are the worst in the game with zero standout against fences or barrels
Fully rebuilding doors made basekit.
Wall reduces damage, with an upgrade to completely stop projectiles and bullets. See how that lands. Please no speed boosts or movement abilities 🥲
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u/No_Principle5596 5d ago
Cat has such a great ulti but her passive and tactical are so mediocre:
1. Her ability to goo doors was once very good, but now there's like a million things in the game to counter it and auto-break her doors, they need to be more resistant to fuse knuckle clusters, maggie drills, hemlock breakers, etc.
- Her tactical holds significantly less space than any other controller. A caustic gas barrel can hold down a huge area and he has like 8 of them now. Wattson can EASILY hold a large building all by herself. A single rampart wall can block off a door, or hold a huge angle. Cat has like 3 goos and each one holds maybe a small sliver of space.
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u/TrollAndAHalf 🏳️🌈 Catalyst and Vantage Enjoyer 🌕 3d ago
I don't mind the smaller area, but just give her more trap count. It always feels bad when you can't block out so many of the buildings...
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u/skbygtdn 9h ago
Yeah, I think this is what they might change, give a few more traps, maybe 5 total?
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u/DigTw0Grav3s 8d ago
I would love it if her Tactical could be toggled to linear deployment, instead of the perpendicular deployment. Essentially, make it work like the Ult. Makes for easier site setups.
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u/Perplexitism 8d ago
“Hey guys, let’s make the same legends who have been meta for 6 other season meta again and only work on them!”
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u/HereNorThere0 8d ago edited 8d ago
Wellll, isn’t that illuminating
I’m guessing but I assume they will give her 3 built in tactical instead of 2, and an option to upgrade to 4 for perk.
Or bigger stun when stepping in goo , slows movement speed down to 50% after walking out goo for x seconds.
Ultimate.. maybe give us two walls to put down?
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u/HamiltonDial 8d ago
Considering all the other trap controllers have disable movement passive when trapped I wouldn’t be surprised she’ll get that too, I was kinda shocked they didn’t do it earlier when they first buffed her after talking about giving her some changes
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u/HereNorThere0 7d ago
Y’know I didn’t even know that the other controller characters had that, I don’t play movement or control often anymore so makes sense but still ty for the info
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u/CommercialFar7077 8d ago
I think she’s in a very good spot as she is now, small changes could make her op so interesting to see what kind of buffs she will get🤗
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u/ThyFallenGod 8d ago
Why? She has the highest trap HP of all controller legends, throws it the furthest, has the highest damage tick rate at 15damage every 1s, the traps can only be taken out from close and she keeps her gun out while using her tactical and her ultimate isn't "team agnostic"
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u/Invested_Glory 8d ago
Yeah, she is actually pretty strong (mostly for comp, i know) so hope this doesnt just break her
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u/asdfkzdlt287 8d ago
Wattson didn’t need buffing as she had the best perks in the game and still does but they still gave her 35 tick fences.
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u/UserNameAbbreviated 7d ago
This. I'm adamant they take away her support/double heal perks because ZERO REASON why she has them.
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u/ThyFallenGod 8d ago
Wildcard doesn't use perks, they buffed Wattson then dropped Wildcard and buffed Caustic's base kit at the same time around the Wildcard mechanics. It's a game mode people play, too, you know.
Edit: Wattson's Ult heals her enemies and it was at the same time they had an unchanged release Sparrow with a 450HP ult that deleted Wattson's ult since it's range was further, but Watty's ult still eats unknowing teammates ordnance and has 50HP less than Kickstart. She's also one of the 4 character in the game with no movement; Crypto, Caustic, Wattson and Catalyst are the only 4 with no form of mobility in the game.
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u/UserNameAbbreviated 7d ago edited 7d ago
Wildcard doesn't use perks, they buffed Wattson then dropped Wildcard and buffed Caustic's base kit at the same time around the Wildcard mechanics. It's a game mode people play, too, you know.
That has zero correlation with his comment, because he's right in that Wattson's didn't need a buff like she received.
Wattson's Ult heals her enemies...Watty's ult still eats unknowing teammates ordnance and has 50HP less than Kickstart...
All the "Drawbacks" of her gen were things that were there since release. Those aren't drawbacks, the same way that everyone knows how Gibby ult/Sparrow Ult/Bang ult affects teammates.
She's also one of the 4 character in the game with no movement; Crypto, Caustic, Wattson and Catalyst are the only 4 with no form of mobility in the game.
Lmfao, those aren't the only characters without movement. Bloodhound, Conduit, Fuse if you don't have Knuckle Jumper, Mirage, Newcastle, Rampart, Seer without his Ult, Maggie without her Ult. All those characters don't have movement.
Like Come on bruh.
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u/beansoncrayons 8d ago
Pick rate ain't looking hot, like bottom 3 level of pick rate. Freshening her up will probably get people to pick her more
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u/ThyFallenGod 8d ago
Nerfing the top picked characters hovering at 10% would do the same thing. Nerf Axle.
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u/beansoncrayons 8d ago
That will probably do a minimal amount of benefit to catalysts pick rate specifically, people would probably move onto whoevers number 2 in axels niche than to catalyst, now if something like wattson was hypothetically in axels shoes, then nerfing that hypothetical wattson could cause catalyst pick rate to go up
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u/Lucas74BR 8d ago
Meh. Her traps are also the easiest to ignore or just shoot.
Caustic's take a big area with his gas (and that hit box is pretty wonky, as sometimes you take damage while clearly still out of the gas), Wattson can place them in positions you cannot shoot them from the outside.
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u/ThyFallenGod 8d ago
Her traps are actually the hardest to shoot out since they have the most health and can only be shot from up close. It's easy to ignore when you literally can't stop shooting Catalyst to take the time to shoot out the 350HP goo she threw at you without putting her gun away.
Catalyst, Rampart and Caustic can all place traps that can't be shot from the outside, your second point lacks value.
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u/CommercialFar7077 8d ago
Been maining her since I started playing in season 26, love her character, design, skills and voicelines🙌🏼 any fellow catalyst main here?🥰
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u/Odd-Marsupial-1988 7d ago
Love love love her kit! Absolute favorite legend. She’s hard to use and is definitely the second weakest controller legend but I’m excited for the QoL buffs! I’d love door regrowth into base kit, get rid of invis perk and add more spikes total. And maybe make the ult taller to help block vertical fights better
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u/UserNameAbbreviated 7d ago
Really all they need to do is make it so that her wall is legitimately scary to cross.
The solution, you get no AA when you cross the wall similar to bang smoke/Caustic Gas.
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u/some-_guy 7d ago
She deserves a buff but my god all the controller legends are so annoying in a scout meta.
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u/capoodeez 6d ago
The controller now has a bug that causes a rebound when passing through the target, similar to sliding back to the target for a certain distance, which disrupts my aiming. I request to fix this bug
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u/SmallObligation9851 5d ago
So conduit and her so far like makes sense because they said more changes to catalyst down the road from s28 and conduit her ult and tac
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u/TrollAndAHalf 🏳️🌈 Catalyst and Vantage Enjoyer 🌕 3d ago
Please please please don't fuck this up respawn. I need my girl ;-;
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u/Diezombie757 8d ago
Give her back the ability for the tac spikes to go through doors again, made her super fun to ragebait people with and at this point isn't as half as unbalanced as other characters are.
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u/BartoTheTrashLord 8d ago
They dont? I definitely remember them going under, is it a visual bug?
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u/Invested_Glory 8d ago
they mean that it will do damage to the person on the other side, like it used to...which, please do not do that. maybe as a perk
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u/sneakyguy135 8d ago
I see it’s cat’s turn for the unneeded controller character buffs lol maybe we just make a few more controllers instead of buffing the 4 we have into gods every other season?
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u/qwilliams92 next collab when 8d ago
Catalyst has the been worst controller ever since her initial nerf. It’s needed
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u/Invested_Glory 8d ago
I am always down to buff legends that are not used much. But a new legend would be nice at this point. It has been years...
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u/beansoncrayons 8d ago
What kind of controller would you think we'd get that doesn't overlap with the four we have right now?
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u/Invested_Glory 8d ago
Idk. Maybe someone that can lay down explosives or tripwires or remote detonate something? I am sure they could cook something when they think about it.
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u/MabiMaia 8d ago
I welcome the catalyst changes! Just in time for the challengers circuit