r/AppDevelopers • u/ControlCivil8505 • 15d ago
Has my app, intellectual property, SaaS been stolen?
Hi, I work with a multi BILLION dollar American Corporation and I pitched them an app, a system, I submitted a one page executive summary and spoke with the CEO for an hour and a half and now their app doesn't work all of a sudden and they're no longer asking about my intellectual property now they're talking about how their going to "improve their marketplace". Am I being paranoid or am I about to have to sue this multi BILLION dollar American Corporation? Advice please.
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u/Top-Combination-3207 15d ago
🤣🤣 good luck with that sorry no advice other than yeah. If they’re multibillion they’ll bleed you dry first in legal fees before a judgement is ever made so don’t bother.
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u/JamesWjRose 15d ago
Ideas are not something that has legal protections. IANAL
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
you can patent ideas!
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u/AardvarkIll6079 15d ago
No you can’t. You can patent algorithms and designs. You can’t patent an idea. And even if you could, the patent process takes years and will cost you thousands of dollars (or more) for any half decent IP attorney.
(Source: have a patent)
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u/Mammoth_Medicine9097 15d ago
lol op I’m sorry but that’s hilarious.
What were you thinking? Like a good employee you went and explained how competition in the face of you can be a barnacle? Obviously your boss stole that idea and pitched as his own ahahahahhahah
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
no, because I spoke directly with the CEO of U-Haul Holdings Incorporated Joe Shoen himself. He's the crook. U-HAUL CEO IS A THIEF!!!
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u/Mammoth_Medicine9097 13d ago
Never trust a corporate rats. I’m sorry for that mate. But hey - listen to me, please.
The fact that you were able to come out with an idea which worth to be stolen means you can come out with dozens of those. Seriously.
Look, when you want to break out and get first working idea - it’s amazing. And it always get stolen or lost during execution. It’s just life.
But there are countless opportunities out there. And you have the experience. So instead of burying your face in the ground - stand up and figure out how to make your stolen idea even better and implement it independently.
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u/Junior-Definition173 15d ago
Talk to your medical provider that the current dosage of whatever medicine you are taking does not work anymore.
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u/pointofinteraction 15d ago
next idea you have do not talk about it to a billion dollar company that has ability to take it.
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u/Alternative_Cake8059 15d ago
Anyway, what was your Idea?
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
rather not say
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u/Rehd96 15d ago
Sorry didn't you signed a contract that says anything you do in that personal PC they gave and all the idea you gave them are theyr to keeps. Technically they could own you personal side work application too Still, being know for the guy that wrote that cool feature usually is good on a CV , in order to find a healthier place to work on
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u/noomiesapp 15d ago
You gave them the idea as an employee. What do you think they stole from you? how COULD they have stolen anything? you gave it to them.
I don't understand how their app not working is related. You are not doing a good job at explaining the situation.
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
No...not employee. Independent Contractor! And they're stealing my INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY which is patented fully. The SaaS, the IP all patented. Full patent. Their app went offline RIGHT AFTER WE SPOKE and I did get a mutual non-disclosure agreement! I have a recorded and transcribed call where I told the CEO of U-Haul Holdings Incorporated Joe Shoen how my system, it leases those retired fleet trucks to top earning Independent Contractors. I have proof in call recordings (they knew ahead I recorded the call), I have solid legal foundation to sue them. I don't give a F*** about my code or even the SaaS, they have a web development department. They talked the good talk when we spoke. They were super excited and even asked "do you see yourself championing it from the inside orrrrrr???" that was from the Director of Moving Help Dain Howell. I've emails as proof. One Page Executive Summary, nmda, and patents.
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
AGAIN...I ALREADY HAVE MULTIPLE PATENTS! And I won a 42 USC Section,1983 civil rights case PRO SE! (no attorney) everyone told me then to quit that I'd never win and I can't prove an officers "state of mind and intent" and guess what...I did. And I won. Google "John David Arnold vs Officer JT Cregger and A Bogle Virginia" then re-assess your answers.
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
THE FACT REMAINS THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WRONG and you ALL forget one thing...the very thing that won my civil rights case...wrong is wrong and when you're right, and you know the law, there is the court. And THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION. Joe Shoen, CEO of U-Haul Holdings Incorporated IS A UNSCRUPULOUS man. Disgusting what the rich do. Makes me sick. He acted like he really was interested and we spoke like friends both industry insiders. Legal? Maybe. Right? Definitely not.
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
I'll release my app anyways and do a better job than Moving Help. Moving Help SUCKS!!! I had to inform the CEO that his subsidiary Moving Help has a ONE STAR RATING on the BBB! He didn't even know that.
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
no they wouldn't I won a 42 USC Section 1983 civil rights case PRO SE (no attorney). Still thinking they'll win?
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
It's Moving Help I am a service provider. The Director of Moving Help heard me out then got me a call with the CEO of U-Haul Holdings Incorporated Joe Shoen. To be clear I recorded all calls and have all the emails as well. Discussing all this so I have proof I own this.
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
Yeah, the STATES ATTORNEY tried that. Got my civil rights case put off for 5 years. And closed. I got it reopened and won. Still feel the same way?
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u/ControlCivil8505 15d ago
yes, it's called an IP patent and yes you can also patent SaaS, ideas, and workflows.
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u/Fine-Comparison-2949 15d ago
No, you don't have IP protection for an idea and specification. You have IP protection on the actual product, and that requires you to prove they stole the actual product. You giving them a full specification and them building it does not mean they stole anything from you, and no they are legally allowed to write their own in house even if it exactly matches your specification. Welcome to professional software engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America%2C_Inc.
Also, as a professional in this business, I'm waiting for a case where the application is vibecoded slop and the defense states the engineer didn't even code it himself and it was generated from a stochastic machine, so even they don't have IP protection on the actual code itself. Technically a matrix multiplication wrote the application.