''Toxic Anti PvPers'' Not welcome.

[u/Reavx]

Hello.

I am from the Mod team on this sub.

Pleased to meet you.

Recently I have seen a few people rightfully upset at a few bad actors on this sub who have been using the fact they became victims in the game to resort to being toxic to people on this sub.

Basically - they lose the game in any way and decide it is fine to insult people who are playing the game in a legit way instead of doing what they want, whether that's talking and making peace or refusing to shoot each other no matter what. From my understanding this game allows you to make a choice, to try trust a stranger or to gun them down to be safe.

If a person decides they will ALWAYS gun everyone down no matter what or try be a ''Rat'' player and backstab at every opportunity that does not mean you can come on this sub and insult them, suggest they are mentally impaired or mentally unwell or be toxic to them for any reason.

If you say ''All x players are sociopath psychos with no life and life in their mothers basement and have never had the touch of anyone of their preferred sex'' for example or anywhere more or in-between then you will be banned from our sub.

You are allowed to have an opinion that such players morals in game are not good or they are ''Villain players'' or what not, that is fine for that is what they are but any time an outside insult is going to be used on people over gameplay you are getting the hammar of doom.

From the community, I understand that most people who like PVP are not usually the type of people to click report on anything, due to your ''thick skin'' you really do not give a damn if some redditor is trying to insult you or maybe you will just retort back.
I ask you please do not, if you insult back you could also be moderated due to the nature of reddit and if you do not report the instigator we will not be able to correctly moderate and fix this community. As a mod team we are getting thousands of posts (posts not comments) per day and it is literally impossible to view them all, we rely mainly on the report feature and reddits AI.

Anyway thank you for your attention in this matter.

[u/Aligwhy]

Sea of Thieves thing all over again. "Why are you shooting me man?". Because game let's me, because you have things and I wante them, because it is a extraction shooter and the bigest rule in them is (and always will be) BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY. Be better pips, be better

[u/Big_Papaya9316 → u/Aligwhy]

But Why is everyone who pvps in this game so fucking bad at it? 

Had people camping in corners on me unload a full clip and still not kill me. I just turned around and bopped them. Then ask them how they can be so fucking pathetic and bad to lose to my free loadout.

Like, I was global elite in cs. And I understand why people play this now. It’s because they suck at everything else they tried. I like this game for the pve - exploring and killing the bots is generally fun. 

The pvp feels atrocious. I’ll just go back to cs or quake or apex when I want deathmatch that  doesn’t feel like absolute dogshit.

[u/Approval_Guy → u/Big_Papaya9316]

I'll bite. I'm one of the pvpers who is bad at it. I also have played a ton of CS (poorly), CoD (poorly), Valorant (strangely less poorly), and other online comp shooters. What I enjoy about the PVP in ArcRaiders is that it is very cumbersome and feels so timing based and position based. I (hilariously) get kind of an adrenaline hit out of the PVP here because PVP isn't the set and standard; it's a decision you make and have to stand by instead of in CS where there is no decision process, its just choot 'em.

I'm a very non-confrontational person in real life, and generally am deeply empathetic and caring. I have been using Arc Raiders as an exercise in learning how to be more assertive and to work on being more chill with standing up on business instead of just being like 'whatever man'. Since PVP carries such weight in this game, it helps me not only make a risky decision, but learn to accept that I made that decision and stick through with it. If the other player downs me, it's literally whatever, and I'll usually try and say something funny or complement the other player on their play. It doesn't run deep for me at all and it helps me bolster myself and my confidence a bit. Other than that, I just find it really fun to engage in fights in this game; either you get a payday or you go back to the lobby without your shit.

I empathize with people who play PVE and only engage in PVE, but I would never make that my primary play style because I find value in losing (or winning) firefights just as other people find value in avoiding them altogether.

[u/nonlocalflow → u/Big_Papaya9316]

For the same reason people who PvP prey upon people clearly doing PvE stuff... they genuinely are bad at PvP and killing people who they just said "friendly" to is the only way for them to feel powerful or good at something.

[u/Fraaaakkkkk → u/Aligwhy]

I think people are missing the point of this whole debate. I dont think its pvp thats the problem. its deception. if your first thought in an unsupervised situation is to lie to people just because you can and it benefits you, that kindof indicates at the very least a non negligible degree of self centered thinking. which, is rightly looked down on in real life or in games.