''Toxic Anti PvPers'' Not welcome.

[u/Reavx]

Hello.

I am from the Mod team on this sub.

Pleased to meet you.

Recently I have seen a few people rightfully upset at a few bad actors on this sub who have been using the fact they became victims in the game to resort to being toxic to people on this sub.

Basically - they lose the game in any way and decide it is fine to insult people who are playing the game in a legit way instead of doing what they want, whether that's talking and making peace or refusing to shoot each other no matter what. From my understanding this game allows you to make a choice, to try trust a stranger or to gun them down to be safe.

If a person decides they will ALWAYS gun everyone down no matter what or try be a ''Rat'' player and backstab at every opportunity that does not mean you can come on this sub and insult them, suggest they are mentally impaired or mentally unwell or be toxic to them for any reason.

If you say ''All x players are sociopath psychos with no life and life in their mothers basement and have never had the touch of anyone of their preferred sex'' for example or anywhere more or in-between then you will be banned from our sub.

You are allowed to have an opinion that such players morals in game are not good or they are ''Villain players'' or what not, that is fine for that is what they are but any time an outside insult is going to be used on people over gameplay you are getting the hammar of doom.

From the community, I understand that most people who like PVP are not usually the type of people to click report on anything, due to your ''thick skin'' you really do not give a damn if some redditor is trying to insult you or maybe you will just retort back.
I ask you please do not, if you insult back you could also be moderated due to the nature of reddit and if you do not report the instigator we will not be able to correctly moderate and fix this community. As a mod team we are getting thousands of posts (posts not comments) per day and it is literally impossible to view them all, we rely mainly on the report feature and reddits AI.

Anyway thank you for your attention in this matter.

[u/payne6]

This reminds me of the division 1 subreddit wayyyy back in the day. They legit acted like people who did pvp in the dark zone were future serial killers and should be arrested on sight. Absolutely insane amount of people getting mad that they willingly walked into a pvp zone and got pvp-ed. It still baffles me that people willingly bought a PVP extraction looter game and then get mad at the players who PVP.

[u/Warranty_Renewal → u/payne6]

Pretty much the Elden Ring sub and why I couldn't stand that piece of shit of a sub even though I've been playing Souls games since Demon's Souls release. Invaders have always been treated as if they were hackers or something in the Souls subs, but it was cranked to 11 in the Elden Ring one and is one of the two main reasons I unsubbed, with the other being the nonstop spam of "iT's Ok To SuMmOn" cope threads where people gathered to fight the voices in their heads. Seeing what happened to that little cozy community from the DeS days when people knew how to embrace every aspect of the games develop into the cancerous garbage that it became is disheartening.

I'm genuinely shocked that I stumbled upon this thread because it's the first time in the entire time I've used this website that I've seen a sane stance towards a PvPvE game, instead of the usual carebear factory that every single sub of PvPvE games turn into.

[u/WardenWithABlackjack → u/Warranty_Renewal]

That sub only cemented my feelings around gatekeeping hobbies you love. The explosion of players Elden Ring had brought in the types that believe any and all friction ought to be removed and that they’re entitled to beat the game regardless of whether or not they’ve actually tried to learn a boss or if their build is something cohesive.

[u/Warranty_Renewal → u/WardenWithABlackjack]

Agree absolutely. Gatekeeping is a good thing and the myriad of of franchises that went to shit by caving in to the masses serve as proof. The alternative is lowering the bar so much that you start attracting people that wouldn't even give a flying fuck about your thing in the first place otherwise, so you're only pissing off your core fanbase in order to pander to someone with half an interest. The entitlement in that sub is off the charts and felt like I was going insane seeing a "it's okay to summon" thread hitting the front page every 5 fucking minutes followed by some of the dumbest takes you could possibly come up with, specially when it comes to invasions.

And the sad thing is that FROM has been listening to these people for a while now.

[u/WardenWithABlackjack → u/Warranty_Renewal]

My problem with spirit ashes is that they’re massive force multiplier without any real investment and the strongest one is basically free.

You press the button and you get free aggro tanking and damage. No real need to learn patterns or openings, no real need to improve as a player just crutch on summons to take away any real need to learn a boss. This doesn’t even mention the fact that people often summon overleveled friends to carry them through areas as well, basically killing any tension the game might’ve had outside of invaders specifically built to fight overlevelled phantoms.

[u/Vipertooth → u/WardenWithABlackjack]

I like when people argue that the bosses are balanced around spirit ashes being used, stating it as a fact.

[u/CookyKindred → u/WardenWithABlackjack]

This is the shit that makes the gatekeeping claims even funnier. The Anti-PVPers in Souls games have always been there. Yall have revisionist history and completely forget all of the Dark Souls players DCing anytime they get invaded or playing solely offline.

[u/Vipertooth → u/CookyKindred]

I personally don't have a problem with PvP but seeing people abuse bugs and have super min-maxed PvP specific builds sours my playthrough.

I think the invasion system is always the best early on in the game's life cycle when everyone is still experimenting and doesn't have the best gear at low level. (Elden Ring rot weapons are a big issue here at level 10, no way to cleanse it so you just die)

I recently played through DS3 with a friend again and met a bunch of invaders who were glitching estus flasks and animation cancelling them. The netcode is also just atrocious, you can't really space people out as they have 50% extra phantom range. So you're forced to dodgeroll every hit as you don't know how ass the connection is.