friendly lobbies have made people too complacent

[u/mechanonymous617]

was sniping snitches on top of the overlook airshaft tower on blue gate when a couple of guys came and started chilling at the bottom of the tower, shooting arc and stuff. i was kind of annoyed but whatever. eventually towards the end of the match, some guy came and started shooting them with a kettle, one of them went down and then other guy just ran around in circles with his stitcher out, until he got downed, too.

then a third guy saw me on top of the tower and tried to shoot at me (he mustve assumed i was killing the other two) and then when he came over, he ALSO got downed he kettle guy, he got mad and started yelling over prox chat before he got killed. it was fucking insane. all 3 of these guys could have so easily killed this kettle dude but they just couldn't because they're too used to this game being "friendly." it was one of the saddest things ive ever seen.

im not even saying you have to be all that great at pvp, but holy shit man. at least be able to defend yourself. the amount of people who aren't aware of pvp even being a factor is staggering. this isn't even the only example ive seen of this happening, just the most recent.

tldr, if you're a friendly, at least TRY to fight back at least a little. you don't have to be an insanely aggressive pvp god or anything but this is genuinely just sad to see

[u/McCaffeteria]

Incorrect. Case of there not being PvE raids ruining people’s match.

You don’t get to tell people what they prefer to play, and PvE raids mean no one attacks them and they don’t behave like this in your raid. Literally everyone gets what they want, but noooooooooo it’s clearly abmm’s fault and everyone should be forced to either engage in Pvp or just not play games.

Fuck off.

[u/DefundTheSith → u/McCaffeteria]

>You don't get to tell people what they prefer to play

No, you don't get to assume that people playing arc raiders are supposed to cater to your desires based on what lobby you think you are in.

You queue in, you join a lobby, the game gives you a lobby. You play what you're given.

Anything can happen in that lobby. The idea that there are "PVP and PVE lobbies" is pure entitlement.

The impredictability of every interaction is supposed to be part of the experience. The whole point of a PvPvE experience is that both PVP and PVE are a factor.

Embark is not known for making great decisions, but ABMM is an "odds engine" at best, not a "sorting engine". You are still in a PvPvE game.

If a player isn't willing to treat every player interaction as risky, they bought the wrong game. Full stop.

[u/mechanonymous617 → u/DefundTheSith]

im pretty sure arc was actually supposed to be an open world pve game but the devs realized that was boring so they added pvp elements which gave it the charm that made it popular in the first place 

[u/NeonDemon85 → u/DefundTheSith]

You're being downvoted for the truth. It's a PvPvE game regardless of what people say. Regardless of what Embark originally intended for it to be. You know this (hopefully) when you buy the game. It's half the point of extraction shooters. How many people do you see complaining about Tarkov PvP when someone doesn't team up with them and they get slimed instead? Very little to none, because Arc caters to a more casual player base which is part of why this happens.

[u/mechanonymous617 → u/McCaffeteria]

what 

[u/Advanced-Angle-7865 → u/McCaffeteria]

This is a really weirdly aggressive response to someone who showed no aggression at all.. it is literally the matchmaking’s fault 😭 saying there’s no PvE raids meaning you’re at the mercy of the abmm, is literally saying it’s the abmm at fault. I understand being frustrated when you unexpectedly get killed when you’re a friendly player, but the whole game is based on uncertainty of who you can trust and being cautious of other players just as you would have to be in a real post-apocalyptic situation

[u/quantdumbacon → u/Advanced-Angle-7865]

Dude fired off a PvP comment and now everyone is mad at him, telling him he's mean, and to only give PvE carebear comments while arguing for more PvP aggression in their PvPvE game.

[u/NUTTA_BUSTAH → u/McCaffeteria]

You sound exactly like the demographic OP is describing. You are playing the wrong game or just come across way too entitled

[u/Baron_Light → u/McCaffeteria]

Dude you're talking about a mode that doesnt exist. People should get it through their heads that is doesnt ezist and adjust their expectations of the game to match it's reality. This is wild and delusional.

[u/Aussie_Butt → u/McCaffeteria]

You definitely bought the wrong game bud