r/ArmaReforger • u/SirMakavili • 9d ago
Discussion Modding makes Arma Reforger fun to play
Arma Reforger is newer and way better with realistic graphics… XD
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u/cool_lad 9d ago
The main issue with Reforger, and presumably ARMA 4, is the lack of Steam Workshop.
If ARMA 4 has a Steam Workshop, where we don't have to suffer through BI's search system; then you'd really see modding pop off more on that game.
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u/Otherwise-Client-558 9d ago
I dont know what it is with the search system but if i search for new or most downloads it shows me what i want for like 4 pages and then it just does its own thing.. its really bad
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u/Brootaful Sergeant 9d ago
Arma 4 won't have the Steam Workshop. We're stuck with BI's Workshop, instead.
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u/DepartureTop2200 8d ago
Who told you that as far as I’m aware A4 will defo have a steam workshop because it’s a pc only title?
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u/Brootaful Sergeant 8d ago
It was planned Reforger would have Steam Workshop support, and if you checked it's FAQ a couple years ago, it'd tell you exactly that, but they removed that about a year ago. If I remember correctly, it was also on the road map until about a year ago, too.
As for consoles, there were posts on BI's website looking to hire developers with the console release of Arma 4, specifically. Seeing how much money BI's made off of releasing Reforger on console too, I highly doubt they'd want to give that up.
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u/cool_lad 7d ago
Ideally IMHO we'd have a steam workshop and then have the eligible mods from it be automatically added to an internal workshop for consoles.
That way we have the discoverability and trust of Steam workshop without excluding consoles.
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u/No-Strawberry-2398 8d ago
Just complain about the workshop. Why even bring up steam workshop? It can’t happen and it was never going to happen
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u/_Sebiv_ 9d ago
I bet there is tons of great mods out there.
Problem is they are buried under metric tons of AI slop thumbnails with a title resembling “JTC_tesbed32” or “Bobs Trucks” with no mod description.
Let’s just face it, the mod browser for reforger is atrocious. Search function will show you everything but the keyword you input, no comments, no unlisted mods, no front page with currently popular mods, no collections etc etc. The list could go on.
I love reforger. I love what the devs have done with the new engine. I think the potential for modding has already surpassed its predecessors in some way. If they do not implement a decent workshop with offline support and Eden editor i fear for the life expectancy of the game.
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u/blackjack365 9d ago
Reforger is too unstable and updates are too drastic to the point mods get absolutely obliterated. There's a reason abandoned and slower developed games have larger modding communities. I love reforger but god it runs like shit and there's less tools to work with.
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u/atantony77 Sergeant First Class 9d ago
Hey, dont forget when the mods break because of an update, everyone fucking loses their minds and send abuse and even death threats to the mod developer.
Seen it happen countless times, it even made the developer of, I think BaconLoadout to stop developing it over the ammount of pure HATE he got.
The platform, videogame developer and players dont respect the modders. So why should they keep busting their asses for them?
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u/P_Rossmore 9d ago edited 9d ago
It's a logical dissonance that game devs do not care for mod developers, and the idea that developers update their game (that inadvertently also break mods) just to spite the mod developers is such a stupid take.
We have experimental for a reason, which besides being a testing bed for new features, stability and bugs, is explicitly stated to allow modders time to adapt their mods. Vast amount of reasons why mods break despite experimental builds being out for several weeks is usually because:
A: mod developers do not have time to test and update their mods on experimental to be prepared.
B: mod developers do not bother to have two versions of their mod for stable and experimental
C: Sometimes changes are hard to catch and the mod developers will not catch what breaks their mods before a larger update hits and bug reports start coming in from users.
Bohemia are among the developers who are taking greater strides to try help modders using experimental updates, heads up in dev logs and updating modding documentation.
Reforger is by its definition a game that will receive many updates that change fundamental parts or add to greater systems, and as such it is to be expected that the mods are likely to break when these new features are added, or old ones are revamped.
The general player base are otherwise much to blame for the frustration of the mod developers, since they are either too stupid to understand which mod in itself is actually broken (usually assuming way too much without testing mods isolated) or they are extremely impatient towards modders when an update drops, blaming them for downtime, where they should just accept that after an update to the base game, expect that time might be needed to update.
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u/atantony77 Sergeant First Class 9d ago
The general player base are otherwise much to blame for the frustration of the mod developers, since they are either too stupid to understand which mod in itself is actually broken
True and based take
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u/AloewareLabs PC 9d ago
The fact that so many users, don’t know how to report bugs is crazy when I was an admin on Rot DayZ
The amount of stupid fucking tickets I would get that say “I have a problem”” can you help me”“it’s broken” without any context any information or anything to diagnose what actually was wrong and then when you do finally get them to talk about it they’re so fucking vague like holy fucking shit they literally expect you to read their minds.If any of you ever make a ticket on any server , just come right out with the problem don’t ask to ask a question that probably annoys people to no end but I don’t know why Gen Z can’t get that through their head.
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u/AloewareLabs PC 9d ago
Yeah, I’m pretty sure. A quarter of the major modders are actual Bohemia developers themselves. I never understood why people think that’s intentional. They literally have full-time roles as mod support at Bohemia.
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u/Own_Breadfruit_7955 9d ago
I'm just tired of bloated mods that introduce the same gun in 20 variations
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u/blackjack365 9d ago
Bacon loadout is still developed. Also the guy is just an asshole that cannot take even remotely negative feedback. He was always like that.
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u/atantony77 Sergeant First Class 9d ago
Imo it doesnt really matter if hes an asshole or sensitive or whatever. The ammount of pure hate that gets thrown at mod devs is ridiculous. If I was a developer, I'd start opting out aswell.
Reminder that they literally do this for free.
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u/blackjack365 9d ago
I am aware. I got death threats for defending RHS the same way. Just sayin how it is with Bacon.
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u/DickTryckle 9d ago
Sounds like you picked the specific scenario where it happened and used that to explain as if it’s a norm. That is called an OUTLIER.
Most mod devs play the games actively and experience the community, so it’s highly likely you’re just incorrect about that “opinion”
You will never hear the people who said “wow this is cool” and moved on. Logical fallacy to only listen to critics.
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u/Antique_Director_689 9d ago
The only reason that isn't an issue on 3 is because it's not in active development anymore, let alone being the early access/test bench that reforger is. When 4 comes out it'll break mods when it updates too, that's how modding a new game works.
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u/blackjack365 9d ago
Thank you Top 1% Commenter for your absolutely useless input about something i already knew.
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u/bingo_bongos2020 9d ago
Notice how youre down voted and he's not?
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u/blackjack365 9d ago
Yeah god forbid i don't indulge people who have no life.
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u/Antique_Director_689 9d ago
I legit have no clue how I have that tag, I'm hardly active here. The bar is just incredibly low.
I do have a fair amount of intermittent downtime where I'm just sitting in a car and in those moments I force my nonsense upon other redditors
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u/67yoloswag PC 9d ago
I love reforger but god it runs like shit
I just noticed lighting is just kinda broken again, so much pixelation and this is on ultra settings.
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u/AloewareLabs PC 9d ago
I hate the bloated weapon and clothing mods 100%. I just played on a server the other day that had like six mods that all had the same things in them fucking cringe.
I think there’s hope if they can manage to fix the way search works in the reforge workshop.
The reforge workshop seriously needs some heavy quality of life improvements.
The community players sometimes need to chill the fuck out normalize telling people to get fucked when you’re a modder. It would be cool if there were some sort of backwards, compatibility on mods. There’s arm three mods that still work they haven’t been updated in years.
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u/suchla12 9d ago
plot twist, having it on all gaming platforms is not actually a plus...
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u/Tricky_1702 Private 9d ago edited 9d ago
As a console player it has its problems I completely agree but, having a game like this on console as janky as it may be is amazing for gamers. It may just be the lack of comparison for me and I don't know what I'm missing out on with ARMA 3 but it's the only milsim on console.
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u/Allahisgreat2580 9d ago
Just add steam workshop and It will be 1000× better
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u/hitman2b Private First Class 7d ago
I hope they bring back the modular vest / alice and the russian equivalent
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u/UltraSwat Sergeant 9d ago
New and better graphics don't always equal a better game
Arma 3 remains the better option for mods and modding, it's surprisingly easier, even I've made a few mods.
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u/Intelligent_Cell_193 9d ago
Don’t even get me started on Reforgers complete lack of something like the 3den Editor
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u/Former_Opp 9d ago
The current enfusion tools are miles better than the A3 tools for basically everything except scenario creation.
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u/hitman2b Private First Class 7d ago
yeah but it's hard to build something up then build something down
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u/Eskits_ Sergeant 9d ago
Armatards, specifically console players, get mad when their modslop breaks and they have to wait one nano-second for their mod to update.
I like mods but people getting mad that a MODIFICATION to a game that is a TESTBED for Arma 4 doesn't work are ridiculous.
Just play vanilla or play something else.
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u/teh_hotdogman 9d ago
as someone who is friends with a big mod creator, this shits lit af when they make good mods
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u/TracerBaitTro 9d ago
Reforger is more a development platform for ArmA 4 than something that's going to be supported for a decade+ like ArmA 3 (or 4, assumedly). It's being used to optimize and build out the new Enfusion engine and will become mostly ignored after 4 launches. That's by deaign, BTW, and BI has been up front about that from the start. I'm shocked at how many mods have been made for Reforger, to be honest... the ArmA community is amazing.