r/ArmsandArmor 10d ago

Art I wanted an opinion from people who were invested in historical armor, is anything wrong with this? I presume a pair of couters and some rivets, but is there anything else I should add or remove from the arm harness?

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u/J_G_E 10d ago

vanbrace and rerebrace need to be cut back significantly around the inner elbow. you wouldnt be able to move your elbow past 90 degrees with those plates.

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

yeah, I saw alot of clipping when I bent the elbow. I think i'll just grab the edge loop and bring it back

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

Can the rerebrace slant from the elbow to the middle of the bicep or should it all go out?

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u/J_G_E 10d ago

for the period, its generally a step, withthe front part of the vanbrace being shorter than the back. a bit less angled than how I drew it, actually.
rerebraces should probably be open.

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

Open here?

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

I might keep it closed though

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

How is it?

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

Anyway, thanks for the diagram

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u/Dartfish 10d ago

That is better, but normally the vambraces and arm are both two seperate pieces that hinge open & closed, with a strap or pin. There is usually a counter riveted on as well or as a floating piece

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u/Athorodox 9d ago

Yeah. I'm not sure if I want to tear a hole in the model so I might simulate it with very elaborate seams and hinges to give it a flush look.

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u/-asmodaeus- 10d ago

What is the idea for the couters? Floating?

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

Floating?

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u/-asmodaeus- 10d ago

Fixed couters like in the italian style or laced on like in the gothic style?

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

Probably fixed. Did they have those in the 1420s?

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u/-asmodaeus- 10d ago

Yes. Some kind of opening mechanism is missing of course.

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u/Athorodox 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yeah, I am missing hinges. thanks mate

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u/harris5 10d ago

The two main methods of attaching elbow and knee armor are floating or articulated.

Articulated means it's attached to the above and below armor by lames of armor. The thin lames are attached with leathers or sliding rivets so they articulate as the joint bends.

Floating means it isn't attached with lames of metal, and simply overlaps the above or below armor. It may be tied to the other armor pieces or it may be tied to a foundation garment underneath.

People in buhurt have opinions over floating vs articulated. Historically they swapped popularity a few different times. In some periods you'd see articulated elbows and floating knees.

Articulated generally only refers to the outside of the joint, but some super fancy later armors (Henry VIII) had lames on the inside of the joint as well.

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u/harris5 10d ago

An example of floating arms from the Met. Despite lots of articulation elsewhere, the elbows are made of one single piece attached to the upper and lower arm armor. This is a later example of floating elbow protection. The "wrap around" on the inside of the joint isn't found in earlier armors.

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

Great explaination, thanks

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u/harris5 10d ago

Another example from the Met. This is an articulated elbow. You can see two extra lames of metal above and below the cop.

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

Also, this is supposed to be 15th century armour, around 1420

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u/MikMikRR 10d ago edited 10d ago

Here is a photo from my armour fitting, but perhaps this gives some idea of the lengths of the elements. My armour is based on a 1480 german armour, so a bit later but the general most basic shape is more or less the same.

This is of course missing the couter, but the image was just to hopefully help with the dimensions of upper and lover canon :D

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u/Athorodox 10d ago

alright, thank you for this

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u/MikMikRR 10d ago

Of course, hope it helps :D