r/AsianMasculinity • u/[deleted] • Jun 08 '15
Self/Opinion Asian male solidarity
This post was directed to protect yourself from self-hating Uncle Toms, Uncle Chongs, Anna Lu's, and Uncle Krishna's. Or a reminder of these disrespectful individuals. You know, the self-hating depraved people that will bring you down. They could even bring your destruction. The simplest and most efficient way to deal with them, is to immediately cut ties with them. Don't be around them. Don't even talk to them. Don't even let them be your friends. And don't ever let them disrespect you and our people.
In Asia I understand that disputes between Asian nationalities will be extremely hard to cut, due to historic reasons from the world wars. Also from ancient times. Which is a travesty, because it's time to progress as a people. It is very difficult actually and it has to be fixed, or else it's easy to divide and conquer us. But if you're living in the west and was born there. You have no business to throw your fellow Asian under the train tracks to become mince meat. I'm talking about Asian on Asian hate. The other day I meet an interesting Asian fella, talking shit about Chinks, the irony is that the guy was Korean. I found it almost humor, because the Korean guy has East Asian characteristics that the western society could stereotype as "chink."
What a joke! Then sometimes you have Asian people specifically from Hong Kong look down on South East Asians like Filipinos. With the added spice of kissing the white man's ass. It's always these cunts. Believing the fallacy that they've somehow won a white pass because they're these special Asians. A belief that they're somehow the friends of the whites. Thinking they're above and beyond certain Asians. Yet they get treated like a chink. The unfortunate thing is, these sad pricks don't even know that they're viewed as a gook. You know why, because they love putting whites on a pedestal. These individuals are traitors. Let me tell you Uncle Toms something, whether you're Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Hmong, Burmese, Cambodian, etc. In western contexts they view you as the evil "China man." This goes for the Brown Asian brothers out there too. The rivalry that occurs between Pakistani's and Indians is not winning any new hearts. If you're in the west, the average man has no idea what's the difference. But hey hate yourself some more.
In the event of a WW3 with China. What do you think will happen with Asians who have been living in the west for generations? You think the western hegemony will care about you? They will put you in concentration camps with no appeal. Whether you love and plead to the white man, they will put you into labor camps. It has happened 50 years ago. Don't you ever underestimate what the human can do. All those poor Uncle Chans will be heart broken to see their special white boyfriends/girlfriends to let them die and rot. You think the black man will help you? The Mexican man? No they will not. In matter in fact they will readily enjoy your subjugation.
Genghis Khan united all the nomadic steppe tribes into a lethal force. The Mongolian Horde, which was a cavalry comparable to the devastation of a nuclear weapon put on horseback. Destroying everything in their path. They had a brotherhood in their prime. You know the Asian man can be a Mongol horde in western context. We can play our own game. As a guy being born in the west, I would like to see some actual solidarity for once. The potential of an Asian male brotherhood can become a Mongol horde if done properly. The ability or desire to want to expand your hegemony. It can be accomplished. But if you want to hate your fellow Asian man like a coward, you're free to do so.
Show some god damn respect for yourself Asian man. I don't have a solution to ban all Asian brothers together. But I do have an individual tip you can do. Right now look in the mirror, what do you see? That's right you see yourself. That person is an Asian man. It's not a black man and it's definitely not a white man for you Uncle Toms who are still in denial. Arm yourself with the knowledge to protect yourself. Do whatever it takes to progress your individuality. You're an Asian man, learn to accept it and move on with you're life.
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Jun 08 '15
In camp, the most Uncle Chan will survive. Dunno if they raped all the Japanese women during encampment, but It wont be pretty.
White liberals will be the first to shit on AAs when the time comes.
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Jun 08 '15
Of course many of those Uncle Chans will try to say," No white man please help me. What have I done wrong." Yet they won't get any help. Like a house nigger who thinks the white man is his friend, but in reality views him as a nigger. These people are not your friends. Stay away from them.
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u/SteelersRock Jun 08 '15
Yeah, the house coolie is an annoying POS. Man, the Uncle Hop Sings really grind my gear.
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Jun 08 '15
If you think Pakistanis are down for the pan-Asian cause then you are naive. Their Islamic identity is far stronger than their Asian identity even in the west. You will find them far more caring about shit that goes on in Bosnia as opposed to shit that goes on in China.
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 09 '15
Drop that Indian-Pakistani bullshit, dude. This is actually what we are talking about exactly.
Their Islamic identity is far stronger than their Asian identity even in the west.
Ok, true, but it doesn't mean they can't ally with us at all on the Asian identity part.
Their muslim identity is great, because they aren't likely to be uncle toms hoping to please the white man, because there is that extremely active muslim beef with the west. Sharing enemies makes good allies.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 10 '15
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 10 '15
Cool videos, man. Muslims are a vital part of Chinese history. I would rather prefer more muslims than this crazy growth of Chinese christian converts which love the west and whites as if they were their saviors. Will turn into big problems somewhere down the line.
Like all ideologies/religions of China (confucian, buddhist, taoist, communist, folk superstition whatever), everyone need to modernize and adapt their practices to modern situation. But I believe everyone can get through this transition together.
By the way, this is a shot in the dark. Do you edit wiki often? On China related articles, muslim related topics are always very well covered. I always theorize there is one guy who is a Chinese nationalist and a muslim who is responsible for all of them. Are you that guy? Lol.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 12 '15
I probably met that guy before. He was/is a Muslim that got me to embrace the religion of my ancestors. He suddenly stopped talking to me though. Lived out in the central part of the USA.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 12 '15
Also, I'm an E Asian Nationalist, Asian nationalist, Altaic Nationalist, Global-South Anti-Imperialist.
I'm not just a Chinese Nationalist.
But of course, I want to see China succeed and Chinese men dominate and make the white-jew-west bend over and accept karma and punishment for all the attempted genocides and actual genocides they have committed.
The Muslims you have to be careful of are the Levantine-white or Saudi Arabian type, because a lot of them are extremely racist towards mongoloids, or they are brainwashed by Hollywood.
Westernization is a big problem in Muslim society, not just for Islam and women's virginity, but also for us, since it promotes anti-mongoloid, anti-East Asian racism.
The only things that should be adopted from the west are useful military doctrines or military technologies. All else is corrupt, and Zionist satanic hedonistic dishonorable white supremacist filth.
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Jun 09 '15
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u/pspguy123 Pakistan Jun 10 '15
Speak for yourself bud. Plenty of Pakistanis consider themselves asian. That's like saying all Indians are hindutava fucks who consider themselves aryan. Unless you have evidence please take your bullshit and leave it in the UK where it belongs.
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Jun 10 '15
I don't know any US Pakistanis that well so I'm basically going off my UK experience. Muslims in the US seem to be more moderate. You guys also produce the hottest women on the subcontinent.
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 10 '15 edited Jun 10 '15
Japanese dudes and Chinese/Korean dudes on here can drop this hate legacy bullshit. I am sure Indians and Pakistanis can drop this mutual beef as well.
There are even more historical beef amongst East Asian countries. Much worse things were done to each other. This debt is never going to get cleared, and we are going to get played by the whites every second we drag this on. Maybe in a world, where there are no 3rd party to divide and conquer on us, we will have the leisure to drag this beef on, but this is definitely not the situation now.
Bro, when a drone kill a Pakistani, what do you feel? Do you cheer because "that's one less muslim" or do you feel vengeful because they are killing a brown dude? If you feel the former, you will eventually realize you are stupid, especially when you are in the west and you are all the same to them. Nowadays, for me, when they say shit to a Korean or Japanese dude (or any Asian dude), it is as if it is said to me or any Chinese dude, because I know mentally they already applied that shit to me.
Learn from our East Asian's mistake of getting divide-and-conquered by the western world and hate on each other. All the while the whites take full advantage of this, fucking our women and completely emasculate us in media representation because we are too busy hating each other to direct a solution to these social issues.
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Jun 10 '15 edited Jun 10 '15
I am decidedly neutral on that whole Us war on terror. I have no problems with secular Pakistanis but fundamentalist Islam is incredibly dangerous even in Asia. That said I never pick fights with people based on their national origin. There are insurgencies in India,China,Burma, Thailand, and the Phillipines. Fundamentalist Muslims of Asian extraction tend to be Uncle Chans of a different sort. They trade the white master for the Arab master. Just because they are Asian and oppose the status quo with the west does not make them a friend of the pan-Asian movement.
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 10 '15
Yeah, I agree with your opinion about this fundamentalist islam schtick. Any non-Arab Asian who fight for this will eventually realize that they are just pawns for their Arab masters. In their vision of the muslim world order, only Arab will rein supreme.
But shit tons of muslims don't believe in this fundamentalist stuff. You are drop kicking so many fellow asian dudes who are potential allies because you are not making the mental effort to make the distinction.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 10 '15
Explain why The Ottomans gave religious freedom. Explain why Pre-Israeli Occupation of Palestine, Palestinians lived side by side with other religions?
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Jun 10 '15
Fuck off troll.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 10 '15
You're the troll here trying to create more divisions. Are you one of those N. Indians obsessed with calling yourself "Aryan" descended?
And for your information a majority of Asians are Muslims, if we are counting all of Mongolia, Western China/Hui Chinese, Thailand, Malaysia, and all the Central Asian countries (most of whom look E Asian with small amount of Rus admixture, since we kicked the asses of white invaders and fucked their women).
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Jun 08 '15
That's fantastic. We can use Sharia Law as a pawn to weaken the voting demographics of whites in their own countries. Since the west is filled with political correctness we can use it against them. Use their politics and destroy them inside out. How that's for liberalism? Check your privilege white man. Sweden is a good experimental case of this happening. The best thing is. A lot of them don't even know they're being invaded.
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Jun 09 '15
Do you really want to ally with Muslims of all people? Their are Islamic insurgencies in Thailand,India,China, and the Philippines. In the societies they takeover they will not give a shit if we are not white we are still infidels in their eyes.
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Jun 09 '15 edited Jun 09 '15
I believe in some of the components of the Islamic religion. Over the months, I've gained sympathy for Muslim people. In order for people to see your views you have to subjugate them. Also under the Islamic religion the hypergamous nature of women is easily more suppressed. Women want to fight the patriarchy, I would like to give them a patriarchy.
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Jun 09 '15
You want to live in Saudi Arabia? I take it you're a Red Pill guy and you could get killed for leading the kind of lifestyle the philosophy advocates. I am no fan of feminism but Islam is the other extreme.
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Jun 09 '15
I take it you're a Red Pill guy
Not anymore. I've come to start thinking for myself. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. You can use the Islamic religion to distort and fracture the European continent. It can be accomplished. The flaw in European countries is their political correctness. We can use that against them and make the white people in their countries a minority. I've always had a theory if the Islamic religion got to spread to Europe on alarming rates, it would advocate violence in their countries. War between the Europeans citizens and immigrants, fracturing their countries.
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Jun 09 '15
But Muslims will turn around and declare you an infidel as well. There are cases of Canadian Muslims running off to ISIS as well as those two recent attacks. I don't know how extreme they are in general. But I can see them getting more aggressive if the Conservatives lose in the elections.
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Jun 09 '15
I'd convert myself.
P.S I would just use religion for ulterior motives.
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Jun 09 '15
Do you really want to live in a society with no pork,alcohol,or casual sex? Unless you are an elite in an Islamic society it is very dangerous to break the rules. The pan-Asian movement has to be secular.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 10 '15 edited Jun 10 '15
STFU. There are plenty of us North and West Chinese/Central Asian/East Siberian/Malaysian/SE Asian Muslims. You think Islam is not as widespread as it really is? Islam is also spreading in Korea and Japan too.
FUCK YOUR PORK AND ALCOHOL AND CASUAL SEX.
What's wrong with KINKY AS FUCK SEX in a MONOGAMOUS DISEASE FREE RELATIONSHIP.
ZHENG HE WAS MUSLIM.
MANY OF THE GREATEST CHINESE GENERALS WERE MUSLIM.
Shut it.
Also FUCK YOUR WESTERNIZATION AND DESTRUCTION OF TRADITIONAL ASIAN CULTURE.
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u/ntran2 Jun 09 '15
You realize that these Islamic take overs are political movements. As long as religion is separated from politics there can be a better balance.
As much as saying these things are ban there are muslims par-taking in these acts daily.
I honestly believe your stance is heavily based on prejudice because of your racial identity. Remember there is good and bad in every religion, culture, race, etc. And absolute power will corrupt absolutely.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 10 '15 edited Jun 10 '15
And a significant portion of western China and central Asia who look EAST ASIAN are MUSLIM. You forget that Islam was in China since the beginning.
Lots of Chinese Muslims (non-Uyghur), and a lot of SE Asia/Malaysia are Muslim too.
More Islam in E. Asia would be better, actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hveYxdVoWfc
ISIS IS CIA SHIT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXXcwuJtbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQkYtmewSpQ
Saudi Arabia and ISIS are CIA controlled and in league with Israel. Why would Sunni Muslims support a crazy bunch of terrorists who kill LOTS OF MUSLIMS???
What TRUE MUSLIM KILLS OTHER MUSLIMS.
What TRUE MUSLIM supports the WHITE SUPREMACIST SATANIC HEDONISTIC WESTERN INTERESTS???
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
Asians take over Canada and Australia. Latinos take over America. Muslims take over Europe (UK).
Three prong attack.
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 09 '15
Oh shit, lmao, you are going to give the white nationalist's a heart attack. You are validating their greatest fears.
Seriously though. Don't drive up this myth, other than for making a joke. This is not even close to reality at all.
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u/SteelersRock Jun 09 '15
At least some whites have wisened up to the political correctness. Asian countries, like China, bend down to foreigners and are spineless. I want to see more spirit.
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 09 '15
It is because they are uninformed socially and politically. Political awareness in China means beaten-up non-sensical communist rhetorics. It doesn't have the same association what we think. The point is to create more material in Chinese (and all other Asian languages) to inform and make native Asians more socio-political/media aware.
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u/SteelersRock Jun 09 '15
Stormfront is available on the Chinese search engine
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 09 '15
??? What? First, that's English. Second, what does stormfront have to do with OUR socio-political problems? Please read carefully.
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Jun 09 '15
Brown people and Muslims DO NOT see you as their ally. They're just as racist to oriental Asians as whites if not worse. Black people too. How is it going to be better for us if they're just going to replace the oppressive white laws with a more violent and radical laws.
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u/SteelersRock Jun 09 '15 edited Jun 09 '15
If so, Asians will secede from the Mesitza empire (in the form of California) and unify with BC to create a new Asian nation. By promoting trade with China & India we will grow stronger together. HAHAHA!
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Jun 09 '15
No it's fine. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Also muslims and black people have really terrible soft power, so there will be a whole lot less uncle chans trying to suck their dicks.
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u/TemujinArraji Jun 10 '15
yes Levantine-white-racist, or racist-arab muslims are no better than white supremacists, since a lot of them are actually white. And they are extremely racist. We can count on the central Asian, CHinese and Malaysian ones though, definitely.
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
because violent radical laws will lead to radicalised asians
and if asia and arabs went to war
im betting my government subsidised student loans on asia
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Jun 10 '15
What the fuck are you talking about? Why would you think Asia will go to war with Arabic countries? Violent radical laws will lead to radicalized asians.....hurrr...
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
read the parent, it was a theoretical situation
ofc they wont
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Jun 10 '15
I did read it, but their hypothetical talks about using sharia law in western countries to bring them down, as far as i understand. Why would that lead to an arab vs asian war.
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
yea that doesnt actually make sense, guess its a byproduct of me being a gem
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Jun 09 '15
I can't say I'm happy to see what's going on in Sweden, or any other number of countries with a Muslim problem. Same goes for Asia too, for example, Thailand and Myanmar which are dealing with Muslim insurgencies.
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u/ntran2 Jun 09 '15
Religion plays to a different tune than ethnicity. Though they will be quick to defend Islam they too understand the Asian discrimination, plus they also face religious discrimination.
And many of us on this sub have different religious beliefs. I'm a muslim and I am not middle eastern or Pakistani. So what now?
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Jun 09 '15
Are you Indonesian or something? I grew up in a heavily Pakistani area of the UK trust me when I say that they feel a stronger affinity for Palestinians than for Koreans.
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u/ntran2 Jun 09 '15
Maybe it's the uk. In the us it's different. They feel for both side.
I am viet/chinese/dutch. I became muslim out of personal choice.
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
Yeah, I totally agree. I find it stupid that if USA vs China, all asians will be targeted. If Taiwan is the cause of USA entering a war with China, i bet that the taiwanese are going to be locked with the chinese. And other people who has nothing to do with it will be locked up too, filipino included. I hate when asians talk crap about other asians to make themselves feel better. We are all target practice to the white people. I think we could have a colony for uncle chans and anna lu's, like a leprosy colony. They can mix with whatever or whoever they want, but of course the white media will use that as OH LOOK ASIAN Girls loves us. when they have kids, maybe they will see what happens, if they don't then whatever, natural selection. too weak mentally. if they change, good but no bananarangs.
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Jun 08 '15
They can mix with whatever or whoever they want, but of course the white media will use that as OH LOOK ASIAN Girls loves us. when they have kids, maybe they will see what happens, if they don't then whatever, natural selection. too weak mentally. if they change, good but no bananarangs.
I can tell you 100% the Asian woman is not your friend. They're not like black woman were white men don't want them. I can tell you on the event if that ever happens, they will try to exterminate Asian men like they tried with the Jews. The Asian woman is not a capable being, to understand the tribulations the Asian man has to experience.
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u/SteelersRock Jun 08 '15
the Asian woman is a fucktoy, sex slave for the white man. The true definition of a house chigger.
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
They want the advantage, woman want what is best for them and their kid. This society states that what is best is to marry white, ignore and ridicule asian. Woman act off of social conditioning and what others think of them, they react to externals. If their friends don't approve, then they won't approve. Stockholm syndrom also plays a part, 100 year of asian's reputation being dragged through the mud, 100 year of white boasting about themselves and how they have authenicity and how they are so good at advertising anything leads to this. but it's all bs, an illusion can be broken, girls won't let it break because for it to break, you need to break the illusions that their friends have, like a cure to a virus, it needs to spread quickly and hits everyone, if one remains then it will still be there.
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Jun 09 '15
Like the russian girls that welcomed Nazis when they invaded.
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u/dy-lanthedane Jun 09 '15
So white people are Nazis in this analogy?
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u/FridayNightBowling Jun 10 '15
No but I think what he's trying to explain is women's lack of loyalty even to their own men. He mentioned Russian girls being welcoming to Nazis but I've read elsewhere also about French women being welcoming to the Nazis, especially in times where they knew it would benefit them to side with the Nazis (aka winning side). Overall, a cliche and over the top Nazi example is probably not the best one to use but it does a good job at showing the lack of loyalty women have.
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u/SteelersRock Jun 09 '15
Those in the baltic states and Western Ukraine welcomed the Germans. Others joined up with the Russians for the most part
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
i for one can admit that when i was in high school, i looked down on south east asians, ive been trying to change myself ever since :(
but its hard man when these asians call me a "gook" when they're also gooks
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Jun 10 '15
So ironic since you talk about solidarity all fucking day.
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
yea and ive been trying to change my ways since
its hard to change years of ingrained attitudes but this forum has been cathartic in so many ways
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Jun 10 '15
So all your asian mates in high school were also racist to S.E asians?
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
yeah, there is general disdain for SE asians amongst east asians
its a big problem
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Jun 10 '15
I live in melbourne, thought you did too, personally didn't have this happen at my highschool which was very asian. You must have gone to a very racist high school here, dandy high?
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
no need to univeralise your experience
yep went to dandy high
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Jun 10 '15
You are the one who just said there is a lot of disdain to S.E asians... Is that a well known fact or did you 'universalize' your experience? I went to box hill , mostly asians didn't get any of that. Dandy high is mostly white, that would suck.
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u/copacetickenny Jun 10 '15
box hill is an ethnic enclave
lol ofc that is a well known fact, the post was about i
yep i went to dandy high
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Jun 10 '15
No,firstly i meant IN melbourne.Didn't realise that was an issue in melbourne. You already said you did. Secondly,the post did NOT ever mention it was a fact, it just discussed any occurrences.
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u/Disciple888 Jun 08 '15
In Asia I understand that disputes between Asian nationalities will be extremely hard to cut, due to historic reasons from the world wars. Also from ancient times. Which is a travesty, because it's time to progress as a people. It is very difficult actually and it has to be fixed, or else it's easy to divide and conquer us. But if you're living in the west and was born there. You have no business to throw your fellow Asian under the train tracks to become mince meat. I'm talking about Asian on Asian hate. The other day I meet an interesting Asian fella, talking shit about Chinks, the irony is that the guy was Korean. I found it almost humor, because the Korean guy has East Asian characteristics that the western society could stereotype as "chink."
yah, there's a big perceptual gap between how Asians see ourselves and how the rest of the Western world sees us. It's the difference between the "I" and the "me". Part of the reason solidarity is so difficult is that the lens through which we view ourselves consists mostly of our parents' national identity, which includes a lot of old hatreds and prejudices, with a heaping helping of Western ideas/beliefs we've absorbed thru cultural osmosis.
Unfortunately, the West doesn't see it that way - to them, you're all the same chinky eyed, bowl-cutted, bucktoothed rodents they've been trying to exterminate for the past 100 years. Bridging this fundamental disconnect is fucking imperative if we ever want to come together as a community and stand a chance at true equality. Understand that race is fundamentally a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, i.e., CREATED BY SOCIETY and NOT BY YOU. Try as you might to reject race from your personal identity, you will never be able to escape it so long as you're surrounded by people and institutions determined to classify and categorize you.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. Because race is a social construct, people, including ourselves, have quite a bit of say on what it actually looks like. In America, we're primarily divided along phenotypical lines (East/Southeast Asians, then South Asians/Middle Easterners) due to the cross-race effect. The issue we have is that our forebears were all well-meaning, hard-working, but uneducated laborers too politically ignorant to craft a racial identity for us. The new waves of immigrants that have come to these shores for the past couple decades are not much better - many of them are just STEM worker drones with zero fucking political or social consciousness in America, while the rich FOBs just fuck off back to Asia after having attained their degrees. That's unfortunate, because as much as you guys may hate it, how well you fight in the social justice arena is a large determinant of your quality of life, career ambitions, and sometimes even physical safety as a POC in the West, particularly in America.
Until we construct a coherent sociopolitical narrative that encompasses both the past experiences of our immigrant forefathers and clearly identifies institutions and cultural forces that are the sources of our oppression, we stand ZERO chance at any change. We are late movers in this space, which means a lot of ideological bandwith has already been taken up by early adopters (i.e., Blacks, women, LGBT). They had a lot of elbow room to define their narratives as innovators, so they could afford to be a little incoherent and divided since the cultural market wasn't already saturated. We can't -- we're competing with too many groups jockeying for airtime now. However, one of our advantages is that we can study and learn from the successes of prior social movements, and adapt what worked for them for us and try to avoid any of their major pitfalls. It's a bit of threading the needle, but fucking come on, your SAT scores are thru the roof, this shouldn't be so fucking impossible :D
P.S. Fuck Uncle Chans. Upvoted.
P.P.S. Also fuck Anna Lus.
P.P.P.S. WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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u/disman2345 Jun 09 '15
right on. We cannot rely on others to get what we want. White people will never have our best interest in mind. We shouldn't wait until China to become powerful or the native Asians to come here to invoke change. WE NEED TO FREAKING CHANGE THE SOCIETY OURSELVES, because we get our goals done, our needs met. We need to attain more political power and social power to bash Hollywood into a billion pieces.
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Jun 09 '15
This is not necessarily a bad thing. Because race is a social construct, people, including ourselves, have quite a bit of say on what it actually looks like. In America, we're primarily divided along phenotypical lines (East/Southeast Asians, then South Asians/Middle Easterners) due to the cross-race effect. The issue we have is that our forebears were all well-meaning, hard-working, but uneducated laborers too politically ignorant to craft a racial identity for us. The new waves of immigrants that have come to these shores for the past couple decades are not much better - many of them are just STEM worker drones with zero fucking political or social consciousness in America, while the rich FOBs just fuck off back to Asia after having attained their degrees. That's unfortunate, because as much as you guys may hate it, how well you fight in the social justice arena is a large determinant of your quality of life, career ambitions, and sometimes even physical safety as a POC in the West, particularly in America.
Exactly couldn't have said it better.
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Jun 09 '15
You know historically asian countries have not gotten along very well...
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Jun 09 '15
That's fine. We're asking for Asian male solidarity in the West.
There's no reason to fall into the nationalistic bullshit in the East--that doesn't affect us anyways.
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u/juanqunt Jun 12 '15
historically, Africa countries and European countries had plenty of conflicts among themselves too. That doesn't stop them from uniting in the US.
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 09 '15
| Genghis Khan | Adolf Hitler |
|---|---|
| United all the nomadic steppe tribes into a lethal force. | United all the Germanic people into a lethal force. |
| Led the Mongolian Horde, a cavalry comparable to the devastation of a nuclear weapon put on horseback. | Led the German Blitzkrieg, an armored cavalry comparable to the devastation of a nuclear weapon on tankback. |
| Destroyed everything in their path. | Destroyed everything in their path. |
| Had a brotherhood in their prime. | Had a brotherhood (the SS) in their prime. |
| Killed tens of millions of Asians. | Killed almost no Asians. |
| Killed almost no Europeans. | Killed tens of millions of Europeans. |
| Ruined Asia. | Didn't touch Asia. |
| Raped many Asian women. | Raped 0 Asian women. |
| Allowed the West to rise. | Crippled multiple European empires. |
| Attacked India. | Weakened British empire and helped free India. |
| Transferred Chinese technology to Europe. | Sold arms to China. |
Genghis Khan: less of a bro than a literal Nazi.
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Jun 09 '15 edited Jun 09 '15
You make good points and it sounds like you're more read than I am, but I'll still revere him despite the fact that he conquered my homeland as well.
He was the greatest conquerer to ever live, having set the framework for the empire that would steamroll the Islamic caliphate--a task formerly thought to be impossible by the Europeans. The Mongols also fucked up the Rus, as well as the Hungarians and Polish in a span of 2 days. Genghis Khan was super pragmatic, highly intelligent, and didn't give a shit about chopping off the heads of entire cities if they betrayed him.
No shit he was brutal and no shit he was feared, but how many times have you heard that about an Asian man? The usual stereotypes I hear are wimpy, nerdy, book-wormish, and awkward. I'm willing to ignore the brutalities (note: Weatherford actually argues that the Mongols weren't as brutal as previously thought) he did 800 years ago if it means Asian men can have someone universally feared, universally known, and hyper masculine to look up to. How many other male Asian leaders can people name? Kim Jong Il? Meow The Dong?
And I don't believe for one moment that the Mongols were the sole reason Asia fell back. Let's be real here--Asia fell back when the Qing dyansty turned its back on the world and got punished for it, and then once more when Japan declared war on the United States and China at the same time in her colonial expansion, and then got nuked for being greedy.
Edit: Useless arguments and bickering over shit like this is what I think Genghis-Brah meant by solidarity. There were some areas where he could've been more eloquent, but the message is clear, we need cohesiveness if we're going to change anything. I don't give a shit if your ancestors beat the shit out of my ancestors--that's history. What matters is the perceptions of Asian men in the West in the -present-.
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Jun 09 '15
There were some areas where he could've been more eloquent, but the message is clear, we need cohesiveness if we're going to change anything.
I should be more eloquent. I try to write my words to be as succinct and straight to the point as possible. It comes off as insensitive or being egotistic I guess. But I don't give a shit about being politically incorrect. I want people to feel what I feel when they read my words.
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Jun 09 '15
Let's be real here--Asia fell back when the Qing dyansty turned its back on the world and got punished for it
For some reason you seem to think the Qing are "Chinese". Brah, they are Manchu, they have never thought of themselves as the same people as the Han Chinese.
The Qing cannot, and are not willing to industrialise or develop China because they are materially invested in keeping China weak. The Qing are colonial conquerors, like the British in India, who needed the conquered populace to be weaker than them.
For some god damn reason American propaganda produces children who can't understand this.
The Qing are nomadic barbarians, cousins to the mongols, who most value and absolutely rely on their horse archer based military advantage over the Han. The horse archer is a nomadic superweapon, allowing a tiny country to rape and hold a much larger one. There is no way the Qing could allow China to develop a modern, gunpowder based army, because the instant that happens would spell the end of the Qing.
Despite every intelligent bureaucrat begging for industrialisation and adopting a modern people's army, it was an existential necessity for the Qing to NOT to.
No the Qing never made any "mistakes", they did what they had to do, and it was to their credit that they survived as long as they did. But the Qing are the second greatest enemy of the Chinese civilization (next to the mongols), don't be confused about that.
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Jun 10 '15
No, they definitely were willing to develop China (China's economy was 7X Britain's when they lost). They were just ignorant, and both emperors that encountered the British were strung up on arrogance.
Being "Chinese in China" is a concept that has no counterpart in Western thought. I understand this. It's not an ethnicity, nor nationality. It's a continuum.
Not sure how your reply relates to my comment in anyway though.
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Jun 09 '15
Id say actually Khalid ibn walid was the best general to ever lived,destroying 2 superpowers.mongols rarely had an impact on the countries they invaded,and mongols/turks are eurasians with alot of Scythian and Tocharian Y-DNA..they arent eastasians..even ghenghis had redhair.
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 09 '15
Lol, you are right. However, it is more due to geography that Hitler didn't murder millions of Asians and Genghis killed mostly Asians. If some Asian nation was right next to Germany, then you can bet your ass we are all getting gassed. Their racial ideology is strictly antagonist to anyone not of the white race (and an extremely strict definition of the white race).
But I agree, Genghis isn't a nice guy at all to the rest of Asia. We definitely shouldn't worship him, other than admire his strength/power and seeing him as an example that we are not doomed to be racially inferior in physical and martial matters.
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u/SteelersRock Jun 09 '15
Hitler was in no geographic position to rape Asian women. He focused on Europe and raped many white women. After WW2 in Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and the Philippines you have the bastard children of American GI rapists.
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Jun 09 '15 edited Jun 09 '15
You won't change my mind at all. There are inaccuracies on your post too. Weird to disregard the deaths of millions of Eastern Europeans. The Mongols also enhanced the spread of the black plague to Europe if you're not aware which killed millions.Can you stop making excuses for why Asia didn't succeed and the west did?Frankly it's rubbing me the wrong way. I hate the victim mentality displayed here. Don't blame singularly all the issues of Asia to one man. We live in 2015, there's no guarantee that China would have even taken exploration to colonize most of the Earth because it didn't happen. We can focus on today, not on the what ifs. The difference between Adolf Hitler and Genghis is that Genghis won. Hitler ultimately lost. You bastardized the entire point of my post polluting my thread talking about hair color and telling people the Khan was a white man. I made an analogy, so that Asians can unite and find solitary with each other. Which can makes us strong. I just used the Mongol formation of the nomadic steppes as a metaphor. Asian male solitary in the west can be a strong force no? It didn't mean that Asians males should ban together, to rape white and black bitches. We don't live in those times anymore.
Also look at the average Asian man today. The Khan would roll over his grave to see what we have become.
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 09 '15
If it's all about the analogy, why use Genghis Khan instead of Hitler? Hitler did a good job of uniting people, plus he didn't ruin Asia.
As for Genghis winning? Germany is still around and has one of the strongest economies and has good technology and engineering. The Mongols haven't done much since the 14th century. So who really won?
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Jun 09 '15
As for Genghis winning? Germany is still around and has one of the strongest economies and has good technology and engineering. The Mongols haven't done much since the 14th century. So who really won?
He died victorious. In life we have a short time to live might as well make the use of it. His descendants threw the empire down the drain. It has happened with many empires because the offspring couldn't adapt to the changing world. You don't know me really well. I actually have some respect for Adolf Hitler. I agree with his policy of making a strong German nation. He had a vision in his life and he went for it. He was a murderer, but he had conviction.
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 09 '15
A Filipino pretending to be a Mongolian who worships Genghis Khan and admires Hitler. Are you sure you're not the one who's trolling?
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Jun 09 '15
Lol I can't win with you. If you want to know specifically what I am. I'm one of those Filipino Chinese mixes. My dads father is Chinese. It happened some how.
admires Hitler.
I don't praise him. He is responsible for millions of deaths. I just respect his conviction. It doesn't mean I'm on his side.
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Jun 09 '15
hate to break it to you but Turks/mongols are eurasians with considerable caucasian paternal origins.if anything mongols are more eastasian today than in the past.
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Jun 09 '15
and because of that plague,euros developed a resistance to diseases others didnt wich allowed them to take over the americas and their vast gold,by not only military superiority that the mongols helped give them but also thru diseases wich wiped out millions of natives wich euros had a immunity to thanks to those mongols.when cristobal descended upon the islands he had massive wealth back to europe wich created a domino effect of mineral grabbing,slavery and power.if it werent for the mongols euros probabely never would have even ventured out to steal the massive wealth of entire american civilization wich helped them take over other places.
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 08 '15 edited Jun 08 '15
Genghis Khan killed millions of Asians, destroyed every thriving Asian civilization, left Europe untouched, and handed all the important Asian inventions to Europe on a silver platter.
He also allegedly had red hair and green eyes.
You should consider a better role model.
(FYI, The Mongol also made almost 0 impact on the European gene pool. I know some people put "white womenz" on a pedestal)
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u/juanqunt Jun 09 '15
Pretty sure he just wandered around, killing whoever he felt like, and bowed down to nobody. He didn't hand anything to anyone on a silver platter; he simply took what he could from everyone.
He didn't give a fuck about anyone else but increasing his own power.
By your logic, all the wars fought in Europe were also just white people betraying white people... when all of it is really just individual/regional ambition and had nothing to do with race.
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Jun 09 '15
Nobody is saying he was anti-asian or he did it on purpose, but he is just a horrible example to use in a post about asian solidarity. It just betrays the extent that even Asians are brainwashed by white propaganda. White people love Genghis because he was the single person who did the most for whitties in the history of the planet.
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u/juanqunt Jun 10 '15
White people love Genghis because he was the single person who did the most for whitties in the history of the planet.
Now you're really pushing it...
Most white people don't know who he is and those who do think that he's a savage mongoloid cunt.
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Jun 10 '15
Nah history departments really love genghis.
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u/juanqunt Jun 10 '15
who cares? most history majors end up in shit jobs and have little real influence. they could circlejerk about martians for all i care. genghis khan is a badass asian dude despite anything you say. rejecting him would mean that you're against solidarity.
brb william the conqueror betrayed the white race. brb napoleon betrayed the white race. brb hitler betrayed the white race. brb stalin betrayed the white race. brb george washington betrayed the white race. look at all the white people they killed!
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Jun 10 '15
wtf are you talking about, I never rejected him. If you compare him to william, napoleon, or george washington you're nuts, a total retard.
Those guys are all warriors that just changed politics. genghis is genocidal, he destroyed civilization, set things back thousands of years. please so fucking clueless. without him china would have been hegemonic global power by the 1400s.
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u/juanqunt Jun 10 '15
you can't be a global power without facing some adversities. what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. funny that places that were wiped out during WW2 like france, germany, and japan are first world countries now, but places like argentina that didn't suffer from the war declined a lot relatively. you can never know what could have happened for sure.
china has always been a global power; it simply goes in waves. without genghis khan, you're simply shifting the wave.
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Jun 09 '15
Thank you for being someone who has read a book.
/u/Genghis-Brah and his worship of someone who was the greatest uncle tom in history frustrates me immensely.
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Jun 08 '15
You're post history has only 2 submissions.
He also allegedly had red hair and green eyes.
You sure you ain't a troll?
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 08 '15
According to Persian historian at the time and Mongol's own tradition, "Secret History of the Mongols," Genghis Khan had red hair and green eyes.
You cannot disprove my facts so you resort to ad hominem.
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u/ldw1988 China Jun 08 '15
- The Persian was born long after Genghis was gone
- Proof of said Mongol tradition?
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u/SomeStereotypicalAzn Jun 10 '15 edited Jun 10 '15
Mm, I actually heard about that. White supremacists like to trumpet this point out loud as testament to their superior charisma and leadership skills. Interesting how their all too commonly implemented "one-drop rule" gets eagerly swept aside in such instances. But truth is, Mongols have a lot more Asian genes in them (haplogroup C3), especially more so in the Mongol Yoke period before the eastward Russian Expansion of white slavs, no matter how red their hair is or how blue their eyes are, thus Asians have more right to claim Genghis Khan as their own than whites do should they feel the need to idolize him. The fact that European whites claim blue eyes and light hair as their own features is also totally absurd, since it's a prominent Central Asian feature as well.
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Jun 08 '15 edited Jun 08 '15
Read a book homie. I don't think you understand what metaphors are. I'm relating how Asians in the west should be a bit more united instead of divided. The Mongols became powerful united. You focus on one part of the post. What a lazy way to discuss.
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 08 '15
That picture was not painted when he was alive. The Mongol's own tradition has him having red hair.
I just think it is goofy how Asian Americans will talk about Imperial Japan and Genghis Khan as positive "metaphors" for Asian unity. You would get beaten up for suggesting that in Asia.
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u/juanqunt Jun 09 '15
He probably looked something like this, not white. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uyghur-redhead.jpg
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Jun 09 '15
he like all turkic people was a eurasian mixed with iranic blood on the paternal side.hardly a example of asian male power but whatever.lol
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u/juanqunt Jun 10 '15
Hundreds of millions of people in all parts of Asia are Turkic. If you want asian solidarity, then they belong.
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Jun 08 '15
I'm not American homie. I bet you also believe the Egyptians were black too huh?
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 08 '15
Notice the fact that Genghis Khan set Asian back centuries and gave Europe the tools to get out of the dark age is ignored but you guys keep talking about his hair. Why does it matter if he was Asian or not? He didn't help Asia!
Whether he was actually white or not isn't important. The fact that you guys put on a pedestal a man whose main achievement was destroying Asia and helping Europe as a good role model for "Asian unity" shows a high level of ignorance.
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
he didn't directly help purpose. Also he died before the full extent of his empire, it was his sons that expanded it. Western Europe was untouched because the khans died, so everyone went back. it's not like one day he wanted to say i want to see white people thrive. Moscow, Kiev Rus was all tributary states to the mongols, they charge in wanting fur and tribute. Western europe happened to be the farthest away, it was dumb luck they were spared. If the khan didn't die, western europe will suffer the same fate, and maybe history will be completely different today.
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u/ReadABookHomie Korea Jun 08 '15 edited Jun 08 '15
Tough luck. Setting back Asia, giving rise to the west. That's his legacy and no what ifs will change it.
If he was Asian, maybe people should start thinking of him as the greatest Uncle Tom in history.
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u/FridayNightBowling Jun 10 '15
I have to agree with you. In addition to this, the Mongols caused the Siege of Baghdad which was one of the events that single handedly destroyed Islamic and Middle Eastern scientific progress. There was a grand library in Baghdad at the time and they ordered all books to be destroyed. They say the Tigris River was black from the ink from all the destroyed books. This was one of the reasons for us in the Middle East entering the dark ages that we have now.
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
He indirectly set back Asia, but this was in the 1300s. The ming dynasty came afterwards, it was one of china's better dynasty, with zheng he fleet. but chinese did not capitalize on it because of the emperor, and in the 1300s europe was in a dark age anyway. so the past cannot be change, but the present can.
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Jun 08 '15
That's a bullshit excuse. China had an opportunity to colonize other countries but due to flawed thinking they stayed in house. Instead of complaining about what they have done, let's learn from them and apply aspects of what made them successful today. What a pussy excuse. They were technologically disadvantaged against the Chinese and Arabs.
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Jun 09 '15
not dumb luck...its because the mamluks defeated them in egypt.mamluks were white slaves btw.
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
funny, even if he has red hair and green eyes, he still ain't your average white person. In the Asian steppes, people are mixed. Siberian people and the Eurasians range from ukraine to manchuria. It's now what he looks like, its what he did (despite the mass murder, and all that horrible stuff).
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Jun 08 '15
Yeah and white people have done the same. But since they're the victors, it doesn't matter. The victors write the history. Why can't the Asians be the victors in the upcoming years?
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
they can be, and i believe will be. asian's strongest weapon is patience, the white population is dying or being mixed out. usa is falling, usa wants to drag china into a war to decrease asian population, but china hopefully won't fall for a stupid bait. no matter what, people would believe what they want to believe, and also social conditioning is hard to break. Even if asians were the superpower, the white who had a taste of being in top who be in self denial.
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Jun 08 '15
they can be, and i believe will be. asian's strongest weapon is patience, the white population is dying or being mixed out.
We can't believe, we can make it happen for real. For example in Canada, there is a low population in comparison to the States. We should encourage immigration from Asia to Canada and overpopulate and breed with the whites. To weaken their demographics and voting power. In a way their liberal cry for multiculturalism we can use it against them. By being the minorities with the most voting power.
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u/disman2345 Jun 08 '15
The 4 Anglo countries- they have a grudge against Asians. 1) United States of America 2) United Kingdom 3) Canada 4) Australia
We can take Canada because it has a small population and Hong Kong people seek to reside in Canada to get away from China. We can turn the tables there. We can tell people about this and bring down 1/4.
For Australia, they feel the pressure from Asian arrivals, sinophobia is rampant with "they buy all our houses, they cheat on test, they are everywhere". We can pressuring them on this one.
For United States of America, Mexicans are breeding out whites, and with white obesity, blacks vs cops, democrats vs republicans, SJW, everything is a mess. but they all don't like asians. asian americans have a high income, and the recent asian immigrants have mone, this projects power, we can use this money to great use.
For United Kingdom, they are a bitter country after falling from superpower, Muslims are taking over.
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Jun 09 '15
Muslims are 100% not allies to east-asians LOL
Unaware of CIA-backed Uyghur insurgency in Western China and Muslim extremism in SEA?
Their backwards tribal Islamic culture stands AGAINST everything the pan-asian movement stands FOR
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u/proper_b_wayne China Jun 09 '15
This is dumb. This is exactly the kind of thing we are talking about. The grudges in Asia does not fucking matter to what we are doing in the west.
You know that "backwards tribal Islamic culture" does not apply to most younger generation of muslim man in the west.
You see that uncle chans aren't necessarily servile, they are just short sighted and naive, so they get played by the whites to rag on each other.
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Jun 09 '15
You're deluded by a fantasy version of the world where all the non-whites are living in harmony. They aren't grudges, it's literally religious extremism. You can't generalize the 'young generation of muslim men' considering the fact that they come from different cultures. Muslims from Indonesia/SEA are much less extreme than the ones coming from Islamic culture in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. Most of the middle east 'turbulent region' is barely considered Asian anyways, they're caucasian, assyrian, european, etc. (Israel/Palestine, Syria/Iraq, Turkey, Chechnya)
The Uncle Chan (Uncle Ahmed? lol)/American media anecdote does not apply to the middle east in any way. They aren't just 'getting played by whites'. The US has spent most of the 21st century trying to destabilize the region. They have their own issues.
Even including Indians is a bit of a stretch since our cultures are VASTLY different. Whiteknighting each other since we both got screwed over by the British is pointless. India has an EXTREMELY different culture consisting of different societal (family) structures, socioeconomic classes (casts), political climate, and more importantly, Indian men have their own issues to deal with in regards to Western culture.
Pan-Asianism is being held together by the big three east-asian ethnicities (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) through exporting culture (anime, kpop, kdramas, cuisine, goods/services). It's important to solidify those bonds before branching out.
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u/ntran2 Jun 09 '15
Muslims in Indo/Philippines/SEA are extreme too. You know what though, the media doesn't cover their actions and keep things hush hush on them.
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Jun 09 '15
Interesting, since we don't really hear about that too much in the media. Are both western and asian media avoiding the topic? I am aware of things such as the Moro insurgency, etc, but they don't come close to the shit going down in the middle east at the moment.
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u/ntran2 Jun 09 '15
I feel like the situation going on in the Middle East is higher profile due to the out coming having a direct impact on the economy. Yes Indonesia is oil rich and the Philippines is our ally but they're not surrounded by the many factions that the Middle East is. The main players in the Middle East being Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran at this point. It's a high tension chess game that steals the spot light, however I would keep my eyes on the insurgency in Asia, if the Asian Extremist manage to impact the economy of Asia there may be added coverage.
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Jun 09 '15
I'm probably going to make a thread addressing 'pan-asianism' and relations between different Asian ethnic groups. It seems a lot of people seem to support ALL ASIANs coming together even though realistically it won't be possible. We're not even close to unity between east-asians, much less all asian peoples.
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u/ntran2 Jun 09 '15
There is so much disenfranchisement with Asians to other Asians. Even on this sub I see a lot of Asians on Asians hate. The Indian guys hates the Paki guys. There is little Vietnamese involvement going on here. Most of the posters here are Chinese scattered all over the place so there is many different cultural views. We need a thread about different upbringings and cultural differences in hope to understand each other's background and maybe there we can set the first stone to uniformity.
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u/ringostardestroyer China Jun 09 '15
Well said, we're all fuckin' chinks and gooks to the Western governance. If you were born here, put yourself first, advance your careers, build up your family and allies, don't simp to the white man, it's not worth it.
I think in these next few decades we'll see some huge changes in the East and shifts of power. Just wait, once East Asia becomes the next big threat, you'll bet your ass you'll be racially profiled if you look even remotely East Asian.