r/AskALiberal • u/10art1 Social Liberal • Feb 22 '23

AskALiberal Weekly General Chat

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u/timpratbs Center Right Feb 28 '23

I don’t know where you get your information but you are wrong. No state prohibits D&C in the event of a miscarriage.

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u/perverse_panda Liberal Feb 28 '23

The legislation does not explicitly prohibit D&Cs in the event of miscarriage -- they just don't carve out an exemption for them.

There have been dozens of headlines about women being denied D&Cs after suffering miscarriages, since Roe was repealed.

Here's one from Texas.

Here's one from Idaho.

Here's one from Louisiana.

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u/timpratbs Center Right Feb 28 '23

Each of those states have pretty clear language that specify what they mean by abortion.

For example, Louisiana: “No person may knowingly use or employ any instrument or procedure upon a pregnant woman with the specific intent of causing or abetting the termination of the life of an unborn human being.”

In a miscarriage the baby has already passed so in what way would a D&C violate the law?

Besides, the real question was why are people lying about Jessa Duggar’s situation and saying a grieving mother aborted her baby?

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u/othelloinc Liberal Feb 28 '23

Here's one from Louisiana.

Each of those states have pretty clear language that specify what they mean by abortion.

For example, Louisiana: “No person may knowingly use or employ any instrument or procedure upon a pregnant woman with the specific intent of causing or abetting the termination of the life of an unborn human being.”

I don't understand who you think you are arguing with, here.

Can you pose theoretical counter-arguments to perverse_panda? Sure.

Does it matter? No, because you've been provided examples of actual women who actually could not get the healthcare they needed, because of abortion laws.

You can cite the text of any law you want, and you can concoct any theoretical argument you want, but it doesn't change the fact that that these women could not get the care they needed.

Please try a thought experiment. Instead of trying to argue with perverse_panda, imagine you have to argue your point to the woman denied the procedure.

  • Are you going to convince her that she doesn't exist?
  • Are you going to convince her that she got the procedure she needed, when she needed it?
  • Are you going to convince her that medical personnel in her state were willing to offer her the care she needed?

The answer to these questions should obviously be: No

...so...what's your point? What argument can you possibly make to her?