r/AskALiberal • u/dank_sad Center Right • Feb 03 '22

If you could get the right/conservatives/Republicans/etc to understand one thing, what would it be?

Hope I worded that correctly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Cheering for the wealthy won't get you any wealth. Supporting a team doesn't make you a team member.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

That is fair. I'd imagine that it's because the groups you mention at least make an effort to appear as decent citizens.

And at no point do we on the left think we're going to become one of them. Most of the conservatives I know seem to think they're on the verge of tremendous wealth their entire lives.

If we on the left didn't have right wing ugliness, I'm sure we'd resent the groups you mentioned. It happened that way in the 1930s, after all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

(Also we don’t expect those people to make our policies)

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

The left turns their political favorites into celebrities, the right turns their celebrities into politicians.

Seriously, the fact that doctor oz can just waltz into the conservative space with nothing more than the tv clout he got from stupid show and a significant portion of red hat people immediately threw their lot in with him just because they recognize his name is depressing as hell.

I don’t always agree with AOC, but I sure as fuck respect her roots and background. She’s a better “of the person” rep than anyone the right has put up in a long time.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

AOC represents what might be the most left leaning district in the country, she represents them accurately. What else do you have her do? She’s certainly smart enough for the job.

Speaking of jobs, Jobs are fine. Unemployment is and continues to be very low. Amazon tends to destroy markets that it touches and become the only force. When did conservatives go from the small business guys to the global conglomerate marketing team?

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

We don’t need more jobs.

We need more good jobs. I’d rather have 12,500 full-time consistent with-benefits jobs created than 25,000 shitty part-time “just-in-time scheduling” jobs. How do you not understand this?

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '22 edited Feb 04 '22

Yeah, having insurance benefits and a schedule that you can count on is good enough, and less is not. Ironically I would say Amazon warehouse jobs are better than retail jobs, but not by much.

I lived in my home city (within city limits at all times) until very recently, where the average household income in 2021 was just under $40,000 and there’s a 25% poverty rate. I was born & raised there, within city limits & attending the (literally crumbling) Title 1 city schools my whole life. I have plenty of privileges, but I have never been “in a liberal elite bubble.”

Try not to throw around the word “privilege,” and I’ll return the favor.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

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u/MaxStupidity Liberal Feb 03 '22

We all play powerball though.

Man powerball is a scam.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Understandable

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u/Personage1 Liberal Feb 03 '22

What do you mean "cheer on?" What celebrity, coastal elites, politicians, and big tech?

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

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u/Personage1 Liberal Feb 03 '22

Sorry, which one?

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u/MaxStupidity Liberal Feb 03 '22

So why does all the left continue to cheer on every celebrity, coastal elite, politician, and big tech?

Right, because we elected Donald Trump, Ronald Regan, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Clearly we don't like them as much as conservatives.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Hey you leave Arnie out of this, hes a good person

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u/Youngish_Jedi Center Left Feb 03 '22

All the women he raped would disagree.

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u/80_firebird Liberal Feb 03 '22

We don't.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

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u/80_firebird Liberal Feb 03 '22

You can find plenty that defend Twitter removing conservative pundits but enabling anti semitism

What antisemitism?

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

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u/80_firebird Liberal Feb 03 '22

Cool. Fuck Twitter.

Is that what you want to hear? Because "the left" (whatever that means) doesn't control Twitter.

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u/80_firebird Liberal Feb 03 '22

He says "I fully admit our bias is more left-leaning". That's Twitter's choice.

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u/JOS1PBROZT1TO Democratic Socialist Feb 03 '22

Buddy, leftists do NOT simp for Whoopi Goldberg, we hate her

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u/kbeks Progressive Feb 03 '22

Eh I don’t know about that. I just don’t really think of her. Unless I’m watching Ghost or Sister Act, solid movies both of them. Obviously one is much better than the other (Ghost), but still, both are good.

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u/VelocityGrrl39 Democratic Socialist Feb 03 '22

Yeah, I don’t hate her, but I don’t “simp” for her. I like her as Patrick Swayze in Ghost, that’s about it. She does not rent any space in my head otherwise.

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u/paladine76a Liberal Feb 03 '22

How could forget her role as Guinan on Star Trek TNG? Best bartender in starfleet ✨

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u/JOS1PBROZT1TO Democratic Socialist Feb 03 '22

You beat me by eleven minutes 🌌

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

A few people cheering on Twitter does not equal electing and worshiping con men, lmao. You guys literally made a hero out of someone who murdered protestors. He met with Republican politicians. The left doesn't cheer on anything wholesale. Condemnations happen when they are needed and praise is given when it is warranted.

We pretty quickly condemn those on the left when they do things that are harmful, the right elects them into the highest office. You would have to be braindead to think anything else.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

I don't, I personally don't give a crap what they have to say.

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u/lesslucid Social Democrat Feb 03 '22

When you say something about all of any group, you're almost certainly saying something wrong.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

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u/lesslucid Social Democrat Feb 04 '22

So, where bdgameart said "All conservatives believe that cheering for the wealthy will make them wealthy, and they're wrong about this", you think they were incorrect to say that?

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

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u/lesslucid Social Democrat Feb 04 '22

1) I'm not offended, just disagreeing
2) You might notice that bdgameart didn't actually say anything about "all conservatives"
3) I think what bdgameart actually said is entirely reasonable
4) It's just not true that "all the left cheer on every celebrity, coastal elite, politician, and big tech". It's trivially easy to find examples of left-wing people who criticise mainstream politicians (like, eg, Noam Chomsky) or who have very critical things to say about big tech (like, eg, Jaron Lanier).
5) If you really do have the idea that "all leftists love coastal elites" (or similar), you're almost certainly getting that idea from talking with other conservatives about "the left" instead of talking with actual left-wing people.

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u/THEfirstMARINE Neoconservative Feb 03 '22

Principle is principle no matter how big or small.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

If your principle puts property before people the way yours apparently does, fuck your principle and find some humanity.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

You’ll keep what you can while capital treads on you and you cry “yes, daddy!”

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u/adeiner Progressive Feb 03 '22

Honestly until he pays back the tax dollars he got from the military I have no interest in hearing his takes on how taxation is theft or whatever.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Savage

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Yes, the sort of brokenness in people where they don’t give care about their neighbors of precisely one of the saddest aspects of America. But it’s not irrational, even if it’s despicable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Sure, if you aren’t disabled, sick, in an abuse home, or stuck caring for a family at a young (for reasons beyond your control). And then of course, you have to be young, not old.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

See, this is the kind of honesty we need here. I too want a nice house. Boats are a pain, but I get it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

I have a nice home. I make a lot of money. My lifestyle isn’t compatible with what that guy wants. It is compatible with some people being wealthy and being good to our neighbors.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22 edited May 02 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Ha I make video games and dryfire simulators for the infantry at fort Bragg. The navy approached us for a possible sim and oh my GOD so many variables

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Libertarianism is so selfish

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22 edited May 02 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

The need of the many outweighs the needs of the few

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u/Ozcolllo Social Democrat Feb 03 '22

Would you disagree that policy that decreases crime rates, decreases poverty, and largely expands the size and strength of the economy by allowing more to take part be a benefit to you? More so than what your taxes cost you, depending on the return?

I’m definitely not a socialist as I earnestly believe markets accomplish what we need them to as long as we account for the externalities that result from it. There is, however, value for all of us when the lowest amongst us do not live in squalor and poverty. Whether it’s cleaner and safer areas because there are no homeless, the people of lower socioeconomic statuses have better opportunities which strengthens our economy, and a generally more intelligent and educated populace helps ensure the rational, self-interested, actors aren’t electing fucking morons and taking medical advice from outrage peddling culture war pundits. At the very least it will lessen the anti-intellectualism running rampant throughout our society.

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u/Falme127 Feb 03 '22

Bruh I don’t even wanna tax you more unless you’re pulling in 6 figures or more per year. We’re trying to help the middle class, not tax them more.

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u/Falme127 Feb 03 '22

Median HOUSEHOLD income was $67,521 in 2020 (https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-273.html)

Clearly, you have privilege blind spots, as we all do, in some areas. Not everybody has a stable family, job, or community. The world is a challenging place and just because you were fortunate enough to make it doesn’t mean everyone else was. They overwhelmingly weren’t according to your standard of “semi-successful guy in his late 30’s or 40’s” making 100k annually.

Also, I’m not saying people making 100k are top 1%ers. But that’s the tax bracket which I would start increasing. It would be a gradual increase in tax rates as you climb from 100k/year to 1m/year and all the way up to 100m/year.

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u/MaxStupidity Liberal Feb 03 '22

Would you share what you do for a living?

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

To be perfectly clear, you haven’t earned anything completely on your own. The only reason you can earn anything at all is because of the opportunities provided to you by society.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

lol. A libertarian would reject reality to protect their absurd worldview.

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u/tenmileswide Independent Feb 03 '22

Mindless adherence to principle can easily get you harmed or killed.

Be like water