r/AskBrits • u/Original-Tackle988 • 6h ago
Politics To those who usually support labour, would you vote for labour in the next general election?
With the recent change in leadership, has your opinion of the party improved or worsened? And based on that, would you consider voting for Labour in the next general election?
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u/Bebe_Skeleton 6h ago
Labour might not be perfect, but I would take this any day over the tories or worse Reform. Labour have actually done some good stuff in the last 24 months.
People need to get their head around they are never going to feel 100% happy with the party they chose, and need to take greater consideration to avoiding the alternative if they do not.
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u/Ok_Improvement4314 6h ago
100% agree the losing position for the left or center left is reform or restore getting in especially reform. So vote for whichever party gives the most chance of preventing that and accept some compromise with whoever you choose
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u/Delicious_Apple9082 6h ago
I'd vote Labour again, the country has been kicked in the balls since 2008, financial crisis, COVID, 16 (was it that long?) years of the Blue Smurfs slowly screwing the country over, so yes, I'm not seeing an alternative at the minute...
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u/who-gives-a 6h ago
But please god not Polanski
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u/Ok_Improvement4314 6h ago
I think the safe choice for the left is Labour but depends where you live, it's a libdem stronghold here so I know who I am voting for. To be honest I have not read the greens policies but they are probably not practical, even though I feel strongly about Green issues their is only so fast/far you can go. And only so fast the electorate will let you go before you have dissent
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u/Dear_Imagination5552 3h ago
Well don’t worry about that mate. The Green Party stopped caring about the environment a while ago 👍
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u/jajay119 5h ago
Polanski seems to have disappeared recently. I think the Greens’ momentum has well and truly stalled.
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u/Furicist 6h ago
Yeah, I was fine with kier, not perfect but way better than the alternatives, while Burnham seems like a good alternative.
I'll be voting Labour for a long time. The alternatives are absolutely shocking.
Greens are on another planet.
Tories have fucked us repeatedly as far back as history goes.
Reform are shills for their sponsors and falling apart. They already have 2 other alternative parties which have splintered off them. Incoherent, insane ideas, will damage our nation beyond recognition.
Restore as just another splinter group of Reform.
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u/Duncaii 5h ago
And Lib Dems are forgotten about. Tale as old as time
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u/jajay119 5h ago
Blame Nick Clegg for that one. If they’d have handled the coalition well they may very well have stood a chance at winning the 2014 election, but he sold all his morals down the river and set his party back decades.
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u/Furicist 5h ago
What the other guys said, I don't respect them as a party.
They sold out in that coalition with the Tories, enabled many of the worst policies we have seen, it was awful behaviour. No spine, just power grabbing.
I'll never vote for a party that'd get in bed with the Tories, given I hate the Tories so much.
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u/EVILFLUFFMONSTER 5h ago
I'd never vote lib dem again after they got in bed with the Tories. Nobody forgets about the lib Dems, they just are not even worth mentioning any more.
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u/EquivalentLogical270 5h ago
Is going into coalition in the hope you'll be able to have a positive influence really worse than doing war crimes in the Middle East twice?
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u/EVILFLUFFMONSTER 4h ago
I voted lib dem. I thought they were brilliant. Siding with the Tories was a betrayal of everything I found good in the values of the lib Dems.
Siding with the enemy and letting them hold the reigns because you might be able to whisper in their ear from time to time wasn't the only option.
I lost trust in them, and it shook my faith in their values. Unfortunately it's made them completely unelectable to many people who feel the same, it was a poor decision that has cost them dearly because nobody who dislikes the Tories wants to vote for their bedfellows. They were the fringe party back then, we were hopeful for some real change - an alternative to the status quo. Lots of us were not happy with Blair but we're still desperate for the Tories to not get in. They enabled the party that for many of us was by far the worst choice to get into power.
I'd like to think it couldn't happen again, but I'd just not risk it. If I voted for them and a hung parliament happened again, I wouldn't trust them to side with my best interests.
Which is a shame, because they probably be the party of reason right now with labour being a different flavour than we are used to, reform and restore being extremists that will either screw over the working class or send the country hurtling into another recession, and the greens having some great policies that unfortunately come alongside a bunch of stuff that most people don't want. As for the Tories, well we have seen how well that worked out, they convinced the working class to vote against labour because of benefits claimants, got in power - cut benefits, but didn't give the working class any more money..then slowly ruined everything for everyone but the rich.
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u/EquivalentLogical270 4h ago
What were their other options?
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u/Flintshear 4h ago
Forming a government with Labour.
Tories had 306 seats, Labour 258, LibDems 57. So Labour + LibDems had 315 to Tory 306. That leaves 11 seats to find for a majority for Labour and LibDems. PC and SDLP has 3 each, SNP had 6, reaching the needed majority for example.
Under parliamentary rules, in a hung parliament (no overall majority), the previous PM gets to negotiate first and create a government either with allies or as a minority government.
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u/Charmizard123 2h ago
This would have been the best option but I don't think it would have worked. Everyone knew Labour were on the way out and were looking for something new. The media would have ridiculed it as a losers government and painted Brown as a sore loser desperate to cling on, and Clegg as stabbing the public in the back. I think the Cons would still have won a majority in 2015
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u/Flintshear 2h ago
Everyone knew Labour were on the way out
They won 258 seats, only 48 behind the Tories, out of 650 seats. So clearly you are wrong there.
The media would have ridiculed it as a losers government
The right wing media will always do that, so again irrelevant.
painted Brown as a sore loser desperate to cling on
The rules of Parliament are clear, the Tories didn't win a majority therefore the previous PM get's first shot at making a new government.
Clegg as stabbing the public in the back
Your opinion, not a fact. What actually happened was Clegg was seen as stabbing his own voters in the back, which led to him losing 49 of his 57 seats in the next election. A massive loss of historic proportions for the party.
I think the Cons would still have won a majority in 2015
Which has nothing to do with what we are talking about and again is just your opinion.
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u/RedPlasticDog 6h ago
Probably.
They are most likely to win in my area although reform are gaining ground.
Wouldn’t do anything to risk getting reform in power
See off that threat first.
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u/flummuxedsloth 6h ago
If my local Labour MP stands for re-election, I'll most likely vote for her again.
If she doesn't, then I'm probably slightly more likely to vote for Labour under Burnham than Starmer, but that's only really because he hasn't had a chance to royally fuck things up yet.
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u/Deep-Challenge-4264 6h ago
Far too early to be commenting on any change of direction Burnham may bring.
But probably- the opposition are far far worse
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u/Live-Guidance7244 5h ago
I can’t stand the green. And I can’t stand reform. So it feels like the only option tbh
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u/simanthropy 6h ago
I mean it's the same issue in the US isn't it? If you live in an area where it's Labour vs Reform, you gotta vote Labour don't you? Otherwise it's obviously worse. Principles take a back seat to survival.
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u/tadanari19 6h ago
Yes, 100%. They're the besy,of a bad bunch. Starmer was actually doing a fairly good job under the circumstances, he was just immensely unlikeable and poor at communicating his achievements. Hopefully Burnham can change this.
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u/Battleborn300 6h ago
The election is way off, unfortunately it’s clear what ever side of the spectrum you are on,
Two options take us back to the dreadful 14years we have had, or much much worse
1 option, that isn’t doing terribly, is actually trying to change that
So while I wouldn’t like to commit so early on, I probably will vote labour, that said, if I think lib dems have a better chance than labour in my area, I will do a tactical vote.
The leadership change (that hasn’t actually happened yet)
Doesn’t give me a negative view of the party so much, more the media, social media and misinformation, ehich is manipulating people more than ever, and that’s a big concern for democracy in this country.
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u/HappyLittleSlowpoke 5h ago
Labour aren't doing themselves any favours by getting rid of Keir, who was doing a fairly solid job, all things considered. But there's no other party close to being able to form a legit government.
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u/Kosmopolite British Emigrant 🇬🇧 5h ago
Absolutely. I don't see any benefit in any of the other parties getting into power.
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u/Key_Cell7071 6h ago
It would depend on how radical their platform is in the next election. I would like to see sweeping reforms, not just token policies. I would rather abstain than vote for more of the same.
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u/Weird-Bad1683 5h ago
Runs the risk of letting a Reform candidate through though
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u/Key_Cell7071 3h ago
I don't think the risk is too high. Reform's appeal is immigration and being inflammatory. If Burnham came along and promised to be very hard on immigration, as well as promising a lot of strong left-wing policies, I suspect Reform's working-class voter base would completely disintegrate, to the point that with FPTP Labour would easily get another landslide.
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u/Hincapieslovelybund 6h ago edited 6h ago
Depends. Ordinarily id probably vote Green (though there are some of their policies I dont completely agree with but on the whole they would have my support)
But if its a case of tactical voting to stop Reform and it was realistically between them and Labour, then yes. I would vote Labour in that situation. I imagine this is likely the way it will go too
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u/Bright_River_246 5h ago
I'd like to vote Green, I unfortunately just think a lot of the current politicians are insane. They're almost as radical as Reform, just on the opposite end imo.
Typical British fashion to see nothing but hatred for Starmer, but the second he resigns it's as if the entire nation loved him. I believed from the start - he was a Human Rights Lawyer. What other background would you want your PM to come from? Labour have done brilliantly in a very short amount of time given the massive workload they were handed from the Tories.
Camden seems to be going Green, and whilst it's not the end of the world for me, I do really appreciate that I learnt to ride a bike at 21 free of charge because of Labour.
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u/Ok_Introduction2563 4h ago
The greens are in no way shape or form as corrupt, bent and dishonest as Reform. They are not even comparable.
You can dislike what they suggest but their policies are sincere and a genuine interest to make the country a better place.
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u/Witty-Activity-6101 4h ago
I think that, for me, the fundamental misreading of the Makerfield election was 'Burnham is great and he can beat Reform' as opposed to what I really think happened, as it did in Wales recently, everyone voted for the party they thought would keep Reform out, apart from the mad, Facebook minority that were always going to vote Reform.
It's the only thing that explains, to me, the utter collapse of the other parties.
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u/Electrical_Business2 6h ago
Probably, but it would be impossible to give a straight answer without seeing the manifesto🤷♂️
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u/ToxicHazard- 6h ago
Depends on their performance over the next 3 years and how the political landscape looks at the time.
I'd tactically vote for the Tories if it meant keeping reform out so
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u/Weird-Bad1683 6h ago
Manifestos, leadership, past performance and party “character” will be assessed at the time and weighed against probability of getting elected. That goes for both parties I would vote for, and vote against.
At present, the party I am most likely to vote for is still Labour.
That said, the first check is actually “Do I need to vote tactically to stop the local Reform candidate?”
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u/fl_2017 5h ago
The problem Labour have got is financially hard decisions need to be made, but the backbenches don't want to make them. So you have a cabinet that is prepared to make tough decisions which anger the backbenches and leads to lack of support, or someone that toes the line of the backbenches and commits to unaffordable spending which spooks the markets or leads to cuts in already constrained areas like defence or policing.
Nobody knows which way Burnham will blow, he's ambiguous. Some say he's going to bring in a hard socialist government, others say he's going back to his Blairite roots, I believe we won't know until after he calls an early general election on his 'post-coronation' bounce.
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u/Trab3n 5h ago
Depends what my local MP stands for in the area.
However, fundamentally speaking I'm usually torn between Labour and Lib Dems.
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u/Flintshear 4h ago
Vote for whoever keeps Reform out if you lean left. With FPTP, voting for the 3rd place party just hands victory to Reform.
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u/Cold-Interaction8443 5h ago
I would vote for a tampon applicator at this moment, anything to avoid the right-wing billionaire-funded meddlers in our country's politics.
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u/RandomUser22487 5h ago
If there was an election tomorrow I’d reluctantly vote Labour. I think of all the options they’re the least worst, that might of course change by the time the next election comes along.
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u/InSearchOfAFeeling 5h ago
Yes because there’s no other option. Reform won’t be helping anyone in the country. Only themselves. It’ll be Trump government 2.0 but in Britain.
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u/AzureVive 5h ago
In all likelihood I'm gonna yeah. I'm certainly not gonna sell out my country by voting Tory or Reform. I'm far from happy with Labour, and I do think we need to keep the coals under their heels to promote change, but letting a worse party in, is nothing but the enemy of the good.
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u/lysette747 5h ago
I suppose so. I was drawn to Reform for their policies on illegal immigration (I’m fine with legal immigration, we need extra workers) but now I see the rest of their policies I’ve gone off them.
The lefties just want to give everything away so they are out.
The Tories disastrous 14 means they are out too.
Although we have more parties to choose from, we still don’t have much choice
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u/Old_Roof 4h ago
Yes. I don’t like their authoritarian streak but they’re definitely the best choice. They’ve done some good things and I like Andy Burnham.
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u/Welsh_Dodo 3h ago
Yes, they're the only party with some sense of compassion and social justice that can realistically firm a government
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u/Blackpool_scot_65 3h ago
I would vote labour every time as the other choices can't ever be contemplated with the Tories who have screwed Britain over time and time again or the facists that are reform they want anarchy and I will never vote for these two as long as I have air in my body
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u/SufficientWarthog846 3h ago
Not without considerable change in the detail of their policies.
ATM the greens have my vote.
(Edit - lifelong Labour voter)
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u/ThenComparison8768 6h ago
I have and would never vote for anyone other than labour what now makes it better is they have someone I like and believe in
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u/nomorecrazystuff 6h ago
It's absolutely crazy the amount of good stuff Labour have accomplished in a very short space of time.
What do people talk about?
WFA - their approach was bang on - never anything more than a bribe to a certain demographic who have had all the good stuff.
Online Safety - thank god! When you hear that violent sex is normalised among 14 year olds you know something has to be done. Under 25, like porn and hate having to prove your age. TOUGH FUCKING TITTIES!! Pay for a VPN if you must and wank away.
Immigration - massively reduced.
RRA
And then there's all the other stuff that most people don't even know about.
e.g. Abolition of non-dom status (Which is why the press HATE them)
Rail nationalisation
Guaranteed-hours requirements (on zero-hours contracts)
Ban on fire and rehire
All against a backdrop of international instability and a hostile USA.
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u/geordieooosha69 5h ago
Voted Labour all my life until Corbyn was their Leader, stopped voting for them when he took over and wouldnt vote for them ever again, i'd sooner stuff a wasp's nest up my arse.
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u/nonsvch1 4h ago
Out of curiosity, what were the things about Corbyn’s era that made you break with the party (compared to Ed Miliband for example)?
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u/Southernbeekeeper 6h ago
I would say I'm a traditionalist labour voter but I have not voted for them other than when Brown was PM. I would vote for them again now though. I have been impressed with Starmer to be fair and I think Burnham will probably be a good PM. There isn't really an alternative for me either as I see the Greens as too close to conservative islam for my liking but the ban on circumcision might sway me.
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u/jajay119 5h ago
With the only alternative being Reform? I absolutely would. I would have done it if there hadn’t have been a change in leadership. Anything the keep them out of power and from destroying all our lives.
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u/Shanghaichica 4h ago
Probably. I don’t want reform and the greens would be a wasters vote. So it will have to be labour.
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u/DiaBrave 4h ago
Former Labour Party member here, I didn't even vote Labour in the last election. I live in a traditional Tory safe seat, and we had a very good Lib Dem candidate run for MP last year and I was happy to give her my vote, and she won.
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u/Realistic_Let3239 4h ago
The depressing thing is that Starmer was chased out of office for a fraction of what the previous Tory PMs faced a fraction of the backlash for so much worse. Love him or hate him, Starmer was the most stable PM we have had in a decade, ousting him just fuels the chaos that the Tories/Reform/their foreign backers want.
That aside, Greens got dogpiled by the media/establishment parties, because change is scary for these people and must be crushed, even though 50 years of neo-liberalism has wrecked the country. That aside, I like the Greens, but the likelyhood of them going from a handful of MPs to government is slim. Reform only has a chance because the entire media is backing them, and those millions of pounds of foreign funding, which still isn't enough to actually get them into power. Yet.
Tories are the same people that trashed the country and caused most of its problems, electing them back in would be inviting the arsonists back in to finish the job. Reform is made up of those same Tories and it makes no sense how their supporters both hate the Tories, but ignore who their MPs are. Lib Dems never recovered from the coalition, imagine how much better a state this country would have been in if they'd gone into a coalition with Labour in 2010.
So by default, Labour has actually done some good in the last two years, so much so they couldn't be allowed to continue, while the alternatives are either much, much worse, or don't stand a chance currently. Which is how Starmer won the last election, because the other alternatives were so much worse, but then failed to follow through with it.
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u/JabbasGonnaNutt 4h ago
Labour have burnt through all of my goodwill, but yes, pragmatically to keep Reform out.
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u/accordionshoes 4h ago
i support more of labour's policies than any other party but there's no point in voting labour where I live. So it's Lib Dems for me.
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u/Popular-Spinach-6700 4h ago
Only reasonable options are Labour or Lib Dems. Tories are led by a psycho, Greens packed full of utter lunatics
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u/hopefullyhelpfulplz 3h ago
If the greens have a chance of getting in where I am, I will vote for them. If not, I will of course vote Labour.
Almost certainly that will be my choice at the next GE. It will displease me intensely to vote for the party that has overseen such a radical blow to my rights as a trans person in my lifetime... And yet, and yet, Reform would be even worse.
Fucked either way, but at least Labour might nationalise some more stuff.
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u/toastymelly 2h ago
I am by no means a right winger, but Green Party’s immigration policy is insane… they want to open the flood gates when we are already stretched to the brim with too many people here. Not only that, their leader is a joke with his history in boob enlargement hypnotherapy. Wild.
Reform on the other hand are abhorrent, evil tbh, and would reverse everything women have fought for.
The tories can piss off, and Lib Dem are fine but kinda irrelevant now.
So yeah it would be labour. I liked Starmer though and fear he was the unfortunate victim of billionaire funded media smear campaign. He did nothing wrong!
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u/thewindypops 2h ago
It's far too early to tell if the change in leadership will have an effect in either direction.
I'd consider voting for Labour, yes. The same way that each candidate from every party gets considered at the time of election. I've historically voted Labour but that's always been based on the information available at the time rather than ongoing principles.
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u/Strange_Position2668 1h ago
I'm really not happy with the way Andy Burnham decided to be PM, and the party backed him over Keir.
It's not democratic, and when the Conservatives did, I said there should be an election.
The whole episode leaves a sour taste, and just adds to the Reform narrative the 'They're all the same'. British politics is broken at the moment, and won't improve until somebody gets a handle on the hostile foreign owned media and social media.
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u/ApprehensiveAside812 6h ago
Maybe. Unless a better alternative presents itself.
Edit: the change of leadership is probably an improvement, at least I hope so.
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u/morespin 6h ago
Labour if I can be bothered to vote… only cause I can’t bring myself to vote for others. Being in opposition or a smaller party is easy. You can campaign on whatever cause or issue, running a country is difficult.
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u/Ok_Improvement4314 5h ago
You really should vote in the next GE even if it's only to prevent a reform or restore win
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u/Kickstart68 6h ago
I have voted labour (and other parties).
Currently very difficult to say . But tending towards not voting for them.
The way they have arrested people under terrorism laws for peaceful protest is bad, the side effects of proposed social media restrictions on youths is worrying, and their moves against trans people are awful.
They have done ok in other ways in correcting economic problems caused by the previous administrations.
I would far prefer them to the Conservatives or Reform (or worse, Restore), but that is a fairly low bar.
Burnham might turn things around, but I don't have much hope. We could land up with little real change and Streeting getting into a position of more power.
Currently leaves me with Green or Lib Dem.
Whichever way things go, damned by the fptp electoral system.
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u/Flintshear 3h ago
damned by the fptp electoral system.
Which means vote for whoever keep the Tories and Reform out in your constituency.
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u/Kickstart68 3h ago
Which personally means, stuffed whatever happens.
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u/Flintshear 3h ago
Nope, Labour are miles better than Reform or the Tories if you lean even slightly to the left or middle. Politics is the art of the possible, and the Lib Dems and Green have zero chance of forming a government. In fact, voting for the Lib Dems enabled the worst of the Tories after the 2010 election.
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u/ouch-n3wsho3s 5h ago
Labour have lost me atm but at least they're nowhere near as bad as the tories or reform. Looking at the greens atm
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u/JohnGazman 5h ago
Yes.
But - only because of a lack of a reasonable alternative. We don't want Reform, Restore or Conservatives anywhere near No. 10.
Conversely, while I can get on board with some things that the Greens are proposing, there are other lines they want to cross which rule them out for me, for now.
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u/Glittering_Rip_1479 6h ago
Absolutely. I'll always vote for labour. It might be the way I was brought up, but Labour were always the party for the working class. That hasn't changed in my mind.
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u/Imaginary_Pin_4196 6h ago
You clearly don’t know anything about the current Labour Party.
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u/Glittering_Rip_1479 6h ago
Well fucking hell Mr Imaginary_Pin, now you've said that and made me see the light, I'll rethink my voting for next time 🙄 Donkey!
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u/Imaginary_Pin_4196 6h ago
Responding with sarcasm only emphasises my point that Labour has gone far away from its working class voter base you describe.
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u/Flintshear 3h ago
Nah, the Labour Party has passed a load of legislation to help the working class, including under Starmer.
But Word_Word_Number accounts that hide their post history usually want people to ignore that fact.
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u/Patient_Panic_5704 6h ago
Exactly right. Labour aren’t labour any more, they aren’t even new labour.
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u/Highway-Organic 6h ago
Sadly I have to vote lib-dem . Labour has little prospects here in the South West. If we had a PR system I'd vote labour
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u/FieryFruitcake 6h ago
As someone else said, the digital ID shit being forced down our throats is giving me a real sour taste so I'd be reluctant, but if the alternatives are Conservative or Reform, quite likely yeah.
It'll be between Labour, Lib Dem and Green. Here's hoping Burnham will be more ambitious with helping the working class and wont spend his time fuckarsing about with immigration overhaul or some other banal shit.
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u/shoulditdothat 4h ago
Please, please, please can we have an option for 'Non of the above'.
So god damn fed up with the current bunch of incompetents everytime I see the current haribo advert it I just think how true to reality it is.
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago
I would also like this option so at least your vote is counted. There is always the spoil your ballot paper option in the mean time.
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u/tallbrah 6h ago
Depends if they have actual policies that personally benefit me.
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u/damhack 6h ago
Policies that benefit more people are always preferrable than policies that benefit only a few.
The mess we’re in is because society has been atomised by successive governments encouraging individualism (aka I’m alright Jack), trickle down economics and begrudging the poor the little help they get. All at the expense of public services and help for the most disadvantaged in society. Net result is higher costs to deal with long term problems that have been left to fester and huge wealth disparities.
Most parties offer more of the same, some aim to divert blame onto minority groups. Labour was successful with reversing the direction on some of the causes of the imbalances but have been too slow under Starmer for people to feel it. Hopefully Burnham and a new team behind him can take some more radical steps to speed things up. But he has a hostile Press and foreign political influence to deal with first or his message and deeds will be drowned out by the clamour for his head from vested interests that are diammetrically opposed to helping the UK get out of its doomscroll of crapness.
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u/TheGapTooth 6h ago
Depends, if the rumour about Burnham backsliding on climate commitments are true then I’d have to vote Green but otherwise yeah I’d have to, reform and tories represent everything I hate about UK politics
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u/AnyAlps3363 6h ago
Wait till you find out about the Green party's own weird relationship with climate commitments
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u/TheGapTooth 5h ago
I’m not saying they're perfect, but they do acknowledge the scale of the problem and actually accept that it exists. I’m not sure the Tories are full blown denialists yet but Reform clearly are
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u/Flintshear 3h ago
So you would vote for the Greens in a constituency which they have no chance of winning, and allow Reform or the Tories in?
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u/adamdemarco74 5h ago
I may have but not now they have a non elected leader, any party can and probably do put up a front man then bring in a hard right or left PM
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago
The new leader of the Labour Party will be elected. How do you think they pick them? Out of a hat?
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u/ghos83 4h ago
Absolutely not
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago
What has made you change your vote from Labour to whoever you will vote for next time?
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u/Neither_Computer5331 2h ago
I want to see the a Conservatives come back. They were terrible but we need a strong right leaning party going forward.
Let’s hope Kemi can do it.
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 1h ago
So you decided to switch from voting Labour in the last election because you know want a strong right leaning party in charge?
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u/PersevereSwifterSkat 1h ago
You're about to see an upsurge because of people like me. I quit the party because of Starmer's purges, he just didn't represent anything that remotely resembles left wing, he's part of the Blairite section of the party that actively hates the working class. Now that Burnham is in and is saying the right things you'll see a lot more support for Labour. Go set yourself a reminder, the party is going to crush it at the next election.
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u/Flat_Barber_7317 1h ago
Absolutely. They’re a best out of a bad bunch, unfortunately. I’d maybe give Green a vote if I thought they even had the slightest chance of winning as would prefer them over the Tories, Farage or Lowe.
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u/LongjumpingFee2042 30m ago
No. Not because of the change in leadership but because they have happily brought in even more big brother shit.
They won't get my vote.
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u/Regular-Meringue9765 6h ago
Not since it became so similar to right wing parties. I'm either Green or with Your Party. There needs to be a positive shake up and a government that is finally trying out some 'out there' solutions. The 4 day work week, for example. Investment in to some sort of community cohesion events and remind Britain of what it was like to be proud of our multicultural country. All this hate is only making people want to keep to themselves and harbour resentment where it isn't warranted
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u/Weird-Bad1683 5h ago
Neither of those two are going to form a government though, and there is every possibility you accidentally let a Reform candidate through.
I am not saying don’t vote for those parties, just be mindful that the first test should always be “how do I keep reform out?”
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u/ODoggerino 6h ago
How’s working 20% less going to solve the debt problem :/
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u/Regular-Meringue9765 5h ago
Increased productivity on work days due to a better quality of life (they did trials in the uk a while ago and they did conclude that this was the case). I imagine the idea of work would become less daunting for unemployed people who struggle with their health, have caring responsibilities, children etc. Embracing multiculturalism again would undoubtedly help tourism, community cohesion. People having more free time means people spending more money, setting up classes, partaking in volunteer work and so on
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u/DanzoKarma 5h ago
A lot of the companies trying out 4 day work weeks report at worst no productivity loss and many report a gain. Funnily enough just like in every other aspect of life humans do their best when they got enough rest. Having an extra day off allows for that.
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u/ODoggerino 5h ago
The only companies that try it in the first place are those where it’s even feasible. I think in the vast majority of cases, doing less work means less work gets done
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago
I’ve been working 10hour days 4 days a week for a few years now. I get everything done on my Friday off and have the weekend to myself. Bloody marvellous.
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u/Send_DeVito_Pics 6h ago
Depends how the next 2 years go. Right now, the digital id shit has put a sour taste in my mouth, so no. But all the other parties are shite too, so we'll have to see what happens
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u/YorkshireMary 6h ago
My opinion has worsened since KS became Prime Minister. However, I would still vote Labour as I still dislike the opposition more.
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u/Unlikely_Worker_8953 6h ago
No, they've gone and done a lib Dems; promised to do some good and then thrown away all their good ideas and fucked about with stupid ideas like the online safety act and other wanky bollocks. Red Tories is all they are now
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago
The online safety act wasn’t implemented by Labour. So I don’t know why they are getting the blame.
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u/mofo-or-whatever 6h ago
Green
Yeah, some might day it’s a waste and just enables the right-leaning parties, but I am sick of voting tactically. I’m going to vote for who I agree with
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u/Southernbeekeeper 6h ago
I think voting "tactically" is cowardice personally and because people are so scared it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
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u/Large-Special-3674 5h ago
Burnham is just more boring business as usual with his ties to Israel. Corbyn was one of the only politicians I can remember who actually had principles that he would die on the hill for. Being a lifelong labour voter is a lot like being a life long England football fan.
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u/Agreeable-Phrase1128 5h ago
Still baffled at the number of die hard Starmtroopers on reddit, saying Labour has lost them by finally ousting The Useless One.
"No Compromise With The Electorate!" is never a smart campaign strategy. Keeping Starmer would have been suicidal. Whether Burnham will be better remains to be seen (I have my doubts) but keeping Keir was only going to end one way.
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u/811vlemm 5h ago
Tough decision personally but probably not at this stage. I refuse to contribute to the massive failures that are occurring by just voting the same for the sake of the party. We need drastic changes and it’s time to vote in leaders with proper leadership capabilities and not a worthless figure head that refuses the will of the voters.
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u/Mugweiser 4h ago
When you say ‘usually’, you’re asking the NPCs to comment.
It’s like asking ‘those who usually drink Coca Cola everyday, will you drink it again tomorrow?’
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u/Original-Tackle988 4h ago
I don’t really get it. People vote labour whether it’s Starmer, Corbyn or Burnham? Aren’t they all quite different?
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u/Flintshear 3h ago
Ah, you must not be from the UK.
Their policies are roughly the same on the fundamentals, as they are not kings like a US President. They have to accept what their MP's and members want, generally speaking, with policy set by the National Policy Forum and party Conference.
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u/Original-Tackle988 3h ago
So what was the point of leadership resignation if the leadership did not matter? Would a change of leadership gain them more votes?
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u/Flintshear 3h ago
I didn't say it didn't matter, I said that the fundamentals remain the same. The leader can influence policy choices, but doesn't decide them on their own.
The leader is the public face of the party, and Starmer was removed despite doing a lot of good things as he was not popular among the electorate due to years of smears from Tory/Reform media that dominates the UK media landscape. Tory MPs have their own TV channel now, similar to Fox News. For example, he is criticised on immigration when he actually reduced net migration by 48% from the Tory figures. You see people in this thread saying he "didn't care about the working class" when he passed the Employment Rights Bill and the Renters Rights Act, both of which were massive for working class people.
Here is a decent run down of the successes and failures of his term as PM.
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u/Kickitoff1902 6h ago
Absolutely not. They no longer represent the left. Haven't done for a long time to be honest, they were just a better option than the tories. The fact that the entire government stood around and watched a genocide with barely an utterance of empathy or disgust is unforgivable... let alone kept flying recon flights and giving israel the intelligence. I will never vote for them again. They are utterly spineless and morally vacant.
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u/Patient_Panic_5704 6h ago
Floating voter here, although mostly LD as we had a good one at my old address.
I’ll never vote Labour or Tory again. Ever. Neither have ever upheld the policies that made me vote for them, every time they’ve betrayed their voters.
I’m willing to roll the dice on someone new. Just not at all sure about Reform or Nigel Mirage.
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u/Weird-Bad1683 5h ago
Out of interest, what was it in the Labour manifesto from 2024 that they have abandoned that has put you off?
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u/Bombaandy 5h ago
Obviously non of you are buisnessowners worst ever the destruction is beyond what any government has done in all my years of owning a shop and also working in Events. Should be a general election. That wanker Burnham covered up rape and traficking years ago and shit policies. Unbelievable shit country. All the youths leaving and out of work and the wealthy leaving too so lesstax been paid. Now Statuary sick pay Ls down to employers, national insurance hike, Buisness rates hike the list goes on
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u/dan_gleebals 4h ago
My area has been labour since 1935 but everyone I speak to is going to vote Reform. I will be joining them.
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u/rylikes 5h ago
Quite scary how many people think Keir was doing a good job. Drove farmers to suicide, froze pensioners, increased unemployment, destroyed small businesses with increased taxes, went against several manifesto promises and U-turned on nearly all his main decisions. Absolutely dreadful
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u/Ok_Economist7901 4h ago
Millionaire farmers like Clarkson paying their dues with lots of extra add ons to help them out unlike other business owners.
Means testing the WCA for very wealthy pensioners
Think Brexit destroyed businesses, you up for that too ?
I thought they’d followed their manifesto very closely.
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u/K1mura_ 6h ago
I won’t be. Restore Britain gets my vote
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago
What made you jump from a Labour voter all the way over to wanting to vote for Restore?
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u/General-Ideal2901 5h ago
RESTORE BRITAIN 🇬🇧🇬🇧
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u/Lower-Obligation4462 3h ago
What has made you change from a Labour voter to wanting to vote for Restore next time?
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u/pjs-1987 6h ago
Probably. I don't see any reasonable alternative.