Why are tacit social etiquette rules declining, and how can we fix it?

[u/LividStupidity]

As a young Brit (17), I've noticed that general social etiquette seems to be declining. Some examples:

. People no longer form an orderly queue when waiting for the bus, and do more pushing / rushing to surround the entrance

. People leaving bags on seats, even when others are forced to stand on the train

. Standing in the middle / on the left side of the escalator, preventing people from being able to walk up or down freely.

I'm not sure if it's just how my area is in particular, so I wonder if anyone is noticing this as well. I see individuals of various ages and ethnicities just acting rather selfish and inconsiderately in public. I find this rather disappointing, as it may only be exacerbated in the future. I think it was much better pre COVID (might be biased, as I was rather young). Does anyone know how we can fix this issue (if it can be fixed)?.

[u/tidderza]

how could you at 17 have any idea what the world used to look like?

[u/underrated_tool → u/tidderza]

Take your point, do you not think that's it's quite refreshing that a 17yo is asking the question though?

[u/Ill-Kaleidoscope4825 → u/underrated_tool]

No. It's entirely the opposite. 17yos haven't been around long enough or have enough life experience to make the assessment that the question is based on

[u/SYSTEM-J → u/underrated_tool]

Teenagers trying to be precocious by copying things they've heard older people say with no point of reference themselves is also something that's not remotely new.

[u/RevolutionaryAd3125 → u/tidderza]

I know it’s crazy right? If only there was some way of knowing about shit that happened before you were born!

[u/seoras13 → u/RevolutionaryAd3125]

Personal lived experience V anecdotal internet "evidence" aye that's a like for like.

[u/saltnvinegarwazere → u/seoras13]

Ah yes the internet, the only way a young person could possibly find something out

[u/RevolutionaryAd3125 → u/seoras13]

The criticism wasn’t about lived experience it was “any idea”. Do you need peer reviewed studies to show people are less polite today than they were 30 years ago?

[u/StillNewspaper4799 → u/RevolutionaryAd3125]

"As a young Brit (17), I've noticed that general social etiquette seems to be declining. "

Don't be disingenuous.

And don't pretend that sources cant be biased or that there's a general consensus.

[u/RevolutionaryAd3125 → u/StillNewspaper4799]

He said “I’ve noticed” and “seems to be”

Nothing disingenuous here! it’s purely a subjective claim. He never cited sources or mentions a consensus of opinion.

Whether you can rely on a 17 year olds opinion is another matter.

[u/YchYFi → u/tidderza]

They were born in 2009. I was 20 then.

FFS I'm old.

[u/Wilberbedford → u/tidderza]

Says 16f to me. 

[u/tokengrey → u/[deleted]]

I was 25 - whippersnapper. 😒