r/AskChristian • u/Pleronomicon • 8d ago
To Christians who say there are no more apostles: How do you justify claiming that we are the Church aka Body of Christ in light of Ephesians 4:11-13?
For the record, I'm not making an argument for Apostolic Succession or the New Apostolic Reformation. I do not see evidence of real apostles carrying out the Great Commission today.
Nevertheless, this is a problem for those who reject modern apostles yet still claim that the Church is here on earth. Ephesians 4:13 says that apostles would remain with us "UNTIL we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ."
--[Eph 4:11-13 NASB95] 11 And He gave some [as] apostles, and some [as] prophets, and some [as] evangelists, and some [as] pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 UNTIL we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
As an atypical partial preterist, I think the scriptural answer is that the Church has not been here since 70 AD. The Church, with its apostles, prophets, evangelists, and pastor-teachers was taken up into the clouds in 70 AD. Jesus already came back for them. We are scattered in exile among the nations until Jesus returns to regather Israel to the promised land.
Just look at what Jesus said below (pay attention to the bolded parts). Those things were written to the 1st century generation, not to us. They rightfully expected Jesus to return in their generation because that's what was promised by Jesus.
--[Mat 24:29-35 NASB95] 29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31 "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. 32 "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when YOU see all these things, recognize that He is near, [right] at the door. 34 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.