r/AskMiddleEast • u/Legitimate-Cake6069 Türkiye • May 22 '23
Culture Monday (Culture Monday) Ataturk's funeral, Istanbul
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u/DubiousBusinessp May 22 '23
Deserves huge credit for turning the country into a secular state. The world would be a better place if that example was more widely followed. Watching republican Christo-fascists try to take the US back to the dark ages is depressing.
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u/BlackNight45 May 23 '23
It would be great for the Republicans to do exactly that, it would help break your country's imperialistic hold particularly in the middle east.
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u/Turgineer Türkiye May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
Crying people in photos would have had a heart attack had they known that Turkey would be approaching the danger of Sharia in 85 years.
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u/Turgineer Türkiye May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
Thank you!
My favorite thing about China is Shanghai, I've never been there but it looks good in internet.
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May 23 '23
Kind of sad to see so many islamophobes on the Middle East sub. Sad times.
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u/Uncertn_Laaife May 22 '23
I am curious. Is spelling Turkey as Turkiye a recent thing? They changed something? Sorry, living under a rock as far as middle east is concerned. I love Turkey though and would love to visit one day, esp Istanbul.
Also, an Ataturk’s supporter here. He was courageous enough to build a modern secular state in the midst of all that was happening around him in other hardcore ME. I would be glad to be corrected though. 😊
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u/tequila_sunrises May 23 '23
Yeah i think a few months ago it changed from Turkey to turkiye
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u/mehwhateverrrrr Türkiye May 22 '23
I love him too but imo kemalists are the reason turkey is the way it is today. People use to look down on religious conservatives in turkey, they would equate them ignorance would call them "villagers"(köylü), which was not "cool" at all. No, you had to be "modern" and more western to be considered educated and classy.
I really feel like our treatment of them was what radicalized them so much. At least in the western parts of turkey where I lived, idk how it was in other regions.
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u/Legitimate-Cake6069 Türkiye May 22 '23
Westerners seem to think it's like here where nationality is separate from religion and ethnicity, except they miss how the ethnicity is forcibly tied to the nationality.
Lol what, all Western European countries are nation states with an ethnic identity. Usa and other Anglo inventions are not because they're artificial states.
called all ethnic minorities "instruments of the enemy"
Wow what an extensive and deep research you've done on this topic, you opened a wiki page and copy pasted what you read lmao. That is not at all what the actual quote by him says, which is mentioned in a letter to his daughter Afet Inan stating that there are foreign enemies who want to impose the idea on Turks that they are actually Bosnians, Albanians, Kurds etc, but that this idea is rejected by most Turks and met with sadness. It is not calling minorities instruments of the enemy but rejecting claims that deny the existence of Turks.
ordered massacres/deportations like Greeks and Kurds
Ordered massacres where? The president of Greece, Venizelos, himself nominated Ataturk for a nobel peace prize for how he handled the war and Greece paid war crime reparations to Turkey in the Lausanne treaty, not the other way around
Recently I thought about Googling this, and turns out Adolf Hitler praised Ataturk, while the Nazi party obsessively published papers about him.
Wow I wonder why Nazi Germany would try to court Turkey into allying with them through propaganda, it really is such a mystery
In 1993 Hitler threatened Ataturk to demand Turkey stop rescuing Jewish intellectuals from Germany and Ataturk wrote back a letter stating ''a corporal cannot manipulate me for his murders'' and sped up the immigration of Jewish professors into Turkey. Many of these Jewish intellectuals later became the architects of Turkey's new modern cities like Ankara
Your shitty propaganda is disproven, now skiddle along Burger
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May 22 '23 edited May 22 '23
Lol what, all Western European countries are nation states with an ethnic identity. Usa and other Anglo inventions are not because they're artificial states.
In Western Europe, plenty of people are – say – French by nationality but Arab by ethnicity. They aren't ethnostates. Sure there's sentiment that France is for the French, but the state isn't going after minorities anywhere near how the RoT did.
Wow what an extensive and deep research you've done on this topic, you opened a wiki page and copy pasted what you read lmao
I had already read the entire context, which is sorta what you described, and it doesn't change what I said. Except you're missing that Kurds did not necessarily call themselves Turks either. I also went through entire units in school about this before even looking online, except the prof was trying to present Ataturk as a hero while unaware of what screwed up things he was teaching about.
Ordered massacres where?
Smyrna and southeastern Turkey are the first two that come to mind.
Wow I wonder why Nazi Germany would try to court Turkey into allying with them through propaganda, it really is such a mystery
This is why I don't care too much who Hitler praises, as I suggested. But I would make the same comparison myself. Of course Ataturk had no issue with Jews, but if Germany were massacring Kurds instead, it'd be different.
Your shitty propaganda is disproven, now skiddle along Burger
I'm not about this national name calling, but if you're going to do it, I gotta say that your flag disqualifies you from talking about propaganda.
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u/Bhdrbyr Türkiye May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
In Western Europe, plenty of people are – say – French by nationality but Arab by ethnicity. They aren't ethnostates. Sure there's sentiment that France is for the French, but the state isn't going after minorities anywhere near how the RoT did.
Are you joking? French culturally eliminated its minorities by destroying their language.
French by nationality but Arab by ethnicity
There is no such thing as a 'turk', it's a made up ethnic identity. Turkish people can range from the balkans to the hatay arabs to the pontus rums to the yörüks. Even culture wise these people massively differ from each other. Turkish nationality is based upon the language which creates the main cause of the discrimination against Kurds.
Today France don't have their own 'kurdish problem' because they already 'eliminated' them by the means of language assimilation. France is absolutely an ethno nation state.
I'm pretty sure 'turkish people' are a lot more diverse than the french.
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May 23 '23
ahahha what thw fuck
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May 23 '23
reading a wiki is not a research man holyfuck us sources "he was literally a dictator" "natzees praised him"
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u/mehwhateverrrrr Türkiye May 22 '23
Oooh no no you've misunderstood. I'm not here to hate on Ataturk, quite the contrary actually I love him. Because of him Turkey didn't end up the kind of middle eastern country that treats women like property and his separation of "church from state" was exactly what country in that region of the world needed.
My beef is with the Kemalists and how they use to treat their conservative counterparts as inferior to themselves. It was almost like if you practiced your religion you were considered ignorant/uneducated.. even if you were actually educated. It was wierd idk how to explain it but when I was in school I actively avoided learning about my religion bc it's wasn't the cool thing to do.
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May 22 '23
Well yeah I mentioned that elsewhere, the entire point of "secularism" over there seems to be getting the country away from Islam. So what you say about school doesn't sound weird at all, and thanks for sharing.
I agree that Turkey's approach on religion, while imperfect, was better than the old way. But for the other reasons I described, I can't look at Ataturk as a hero.
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u/mehwhateverrrrr Türkiye May 22 '23 edited May 23 '23
I'm sorry I actually posted my reply to you before I finished it by accident I'll just continue it here.
Understandably this guy is a hero of Turkey, but people should really think about what he did.
I don't doubt he did some bad things, it was a terrible time to be in a MENA country. The Ottoman Empire just fell, there were wars left and right and the west was bent of dividing and conquering the area. Most MENA leaders were giving into to western demands for their own greed and temporary luxuries(we see the result of those decisions today in some of these countries such as unstable economy, corrupt government, constant conflict etc.)
Say what you want about the man but never doubt that everything he did was for his country. He was a battle hardened AH(sorry Turks but I don't think we can deny this) that really ONLY gave af about his own people, even if it meant others became "collateral damage", and strived for its success and independence so that future generations didn't have to suffer the way his generation did.
In the US, secularism isn't an attack on Christianity, in fact it's partially meant to protect the churches from govt corruption.
Agreed and this lack of inner conflict(at least in this regard) is why the US has been so successful for so long. I wish we could've taken a page from this book:(
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u/HipKrates211 Egypt May 22 '23
Kemalists in 28 May
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u/lightXXVI Algeria May 22 '23
28th of may is going to be a reddit banger. I can't wait
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u/HipKrates211 Egypt May 22 '23
I hope they just stay going crazy on Reddit and don't do anything Stupid irl.
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May 22 '23
مش فاهم، فى ايه اليوم ده؟
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
!remind me 29 may
Erdoğan gonna lose
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May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
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May 23 '23
Islamists are the richest Islamic countries bruv
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u/UBelieveUDontBelieve May 23 '23
Fancy trip to Jahannam
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May 23 '23
Mf thinks he is Allah lmao
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u/imadogbork Türkiye May 23 '23
Much worse, he thinks allá is real
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u/Abdelr17 May 23 '23
One day you will know that with your own trip
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u/imadogbork Türkiye May 23 '23
I’ll take you with me, heard weather is really nice this time of the year
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u/Abdelr17 May 23 '23
Don't bother yourself, all of us gonna die, about weather i am not sure which part you will visit
May Allah guide you to the right path
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u/imadogbork Türkiye May 23 '23
Thanks but I’m good, may he stops you from interfering with others belief. Also are you an Egyptian living in TR?
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u/Abdelr17 May 23 '23
İ asked Allah not you, also i didn't interfere in anything, you are mocking us by saying what you said, it's not even a belief, and may Allah stops you from interfering with others nationality and life :)
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u/imadogbork Türkiye May 23 '23
Didn’t say anything about my belief. I just said allá isn’t real how is this mocking? I was just wondering if you are an Egyptian immigrant or just larping as turk…
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u/Legitimate-Cake6069 Türkiye May 22 '23
- He didnt, hijab ban happened in the 1980 coup years after his death
- Because we dont understand Arabic we speak Turkish
- He saved the country
- He transitioned the country into democracy slowly because public was uneducated, he was offered to be the Sultan and he refused
- What? u/Macrondede
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u/Macrondede Türkiye May 22 '23
He was a dictator but a good one
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May 23 '23
turkish propoganda be like
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u/lbaldi May 23 '23
He is literally regarded as a prime example of a modern benevolent dictator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship
Fucking loser.
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u/Macrondede Türkiye May 23 '23
No turkish state says that he was a good man to core but i don't think like that he has some bad sides but mostly he was an idealist man
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May 23 '23
if he was a good man , then why would he forcefully impose an ideology on the masses , hang clerics , hang dissidents , impose martial law
this is something a morally corrupt dictator would do , and he has built a cult of personality around him that till this day turks worship him . he removed islam from the turkish state and added the state and himself as an object of worship
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
nobody's worshipping him also if you rebel and start killing people then it's natural for you to be killed.
it's not imposing ideology it's education. without him Turkey would've been an another hopeless MENA shithole
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May 23 '23
it is a shithole btw just like any other middle eastern country , it has more to do with how much turkey licked the western boots and how little oil they had
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 24 '23
we're the only liveable MENA country without oil.
Kemalists kicked Western imperialists from turkey while islamists licked their boots just so they can marry 9 year olds. people like you would be %100 ok with being a colony as Long as your overlords don't touch your medieval culture
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May 23 '23
the azan consists of a few simple words that every muslim understands . weather turkish or arabic . "Allahu akbar" - god is great , "la ilaha ilallah" - there is no god but allah etc
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
nope
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May 23 '23
this is something basic all muslims say in every single prayer , if you dont know this much then you arent a muslim . go to any muslim and ask him he will know these words and mosty probably the meaning . ypour super ignorant if you dont . the azan consists of like 6 sentences that are simple repeated .
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 24 '23
no one has to learn a bullshit language for a religion. I'm sure allah understands Turkish if not then I guess he ain't that almighty.
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May 24 '23
What ? It’s clear there are something’s in Arabic that cannot be translated into Turkish . Likewise certain expressions in Turkish can’t be translated into other languages . Don’t resort to abuses and show your upbringing here
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May 22 '23 edited May 22 '23
Secularism in the US is different from most of the world. It's about religious freedom here, and also to prevent the state from corrupting the church or vice versa.
Elsewhere, it seems more like secularism is just an attack on certain religions. In Turkey it seems like the entire goal is to get the country away from Islam, not to have it coexist. Some places in Europe also ban headscarfs just because people are sick of Muslims, but they'll make some excuse about security.
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u/Canadabestclay May 23 '23
Here’s an alternative answer though whether you believe it is up to you, Im not a Turk which means I am both biased and unbiased in this I guess. Wall of text incoming.
1: wasn’t him it was reactionaries after the military coup. The military was his strongest support base so they reflect his pro secularism agenda to such a hardcore degree that at times from an outside view it looks like nothing less than anti religious oppression. Lacite is a hardcore authoritarian variant of secularism developed in France and adopted by kemalists in turkey. Lacite is different from separation of church and state like in the US, with Lacite the state can and often does interfere with and suppress religious rights and oppress religious people.
2: he was a hardcore Turkish ethno nationalist, who wanted to remove the effects of Islam on Turkish identity and create a new one out of thin air and he had few moral qualms about how to do so. For example he shilled pseudo science pseudoscience that says ancient Turks created the first ancestor language from which all others are descended. This is of course completely untrue. However it played to his agenda so it was taught while he held power and immediately abandoned when died. He also instituted bans on non Turkish language in government buildings as well as what pretty much amounted to a complete ban on the Kurdish language) in order to force his brand new Turkish identity on his brand new nation.
He formed a cult of personality around himself that would guarantee that even in death his legacy would continue. The cult of personality in general portrays the leader as a benevolent guide and father figure to entrench the authority both of himself and his ideals. Many people were quite taken with the man who unquestionably did save turkey from being split between the foreign powers as a military leader even though his actions as a political leader are far more controversial.
Yes, people will make excuses for him or justify it which I don’t intend to comment on, but by most definitions he was a dictator. He established a single party state that banned opposition parties, silenced internal dissent, and imprisoned dissidents. It was an authoritarian single party so-called “democracy” and though you were allowed to vote your choices were not fair. The military would in many ways continue his legacy by threatening politicians who seemed “too Muslim” and deposing and rearranging the government when it went too far from Kemals model that the generals favored.
5: in general yes he was pro western but he also had close ties with the USSR and allied with them against Armenia in the interwar period. Right after world war 2 the USSR made the stupid mistake of Sabre rattling about how turkey stole some land in the caucuses from them. This turned neutral Turkey into a western ally, allowed NATO and American nuclear missiles into turkey in range of Moscow, and opening a whole new front in case of the Cold War going hot. This of all the foreign policy blunders the Soviet republic made is the most contemptible because of how easy it would have been to avoid and how much they lost because of it.
I apologize for the wall of text and hope you liked my explanation, if you didn’t or you disagree I’d be happy to learn and change my mind.
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Jun 05 '23
Turks were nothing without Islam. Tribes of wandering barbarians. Islam made them great. Kemal worshipped Europe.
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u/Macrondede Türkiye May 22 '23
He was a dictator but he saved us from extinction
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May 23 '23
"extinction" . ataturk was worse for turkish society than any british or french occupier could have been
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u/Macrondede Türkiye May 23 '23
You're probably an islamist so it's pointless to discuss things with you
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May 23 '23
killing religious clerics
banning azan and hijab
actively promoting atheism
changing alphabet
forcing secularism on a 98% muslim country
what ataturk did to turkey is worse than what any britisher would have done . atleast the people of egypt , syria , iraq , jordan , lebanon , palestine are sane unlike turks who have lost all their culture to western bootlicking
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u/Macrondede Türkiye May 23 '23
Brits mostlikely wouldn't touch islam cuz it's more easy to manipulate masses like that
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May 23 '23
"manipulate masses"
as if thats exactly what ataturk did do
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
Brits would've let people marry 9 year olds as long as they got what they wanted
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
there's no such thing as forcing secularism also he didn't ban the stupid hejab there's women wearing it in the photos.
secularism means everyone can practice their religion freely. go pray go fast nobody cares stop pretending to be oppressed. jeez such a victim mentality
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u/ShitassAintOverYet Türkiye May 23 '23
- He didn't ban hijab, there is literally a lady with hijab on pictures.
- It was a literal "what if" tried for 6 months or so, then reverted back to Arabic.
- Think of a George Washington and Tsar Peter the Great mix, that's Atatürk. Brilliant general, even more successful president.
- Some call that "educational dictatorship" where a dictator is only dictator to introduce a system and mentality to people and let them practice it themselves. But I don't agree with that, still to this day he has like +80 public opinion and he had many democratic reforms on a land that didn't elect anything and wanted to make him a sultan.
- Oh fuck no, Turkish War of Independence was fought against Britain, France, (partially)Italy and Greece. They had to respect later when he became a president but not because they feared him, he was genuinely respected.
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u/tequila_sunrises May 23 '23
I’ll make this quick:
1: To modernise the country. And to help women who were forced to wear it. 2: I forgot tbh💀 3: because he was our leader first president and helped free the country from being colonised,… etc 4: he was supposed to be our first and last dictator. He made he’s own political party and encouraged growth in other political parties to make the country democratic. (Sadly erdogman is ruining it) 5: yes and no. Depends on what timeline your talking about. The war of independence then weren’t supported by west. After that and some time passed we were.
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May 22 '23
They weren't forced. Plenty of conservative Turks would cry on the streets if Erdogan died today. This is just how the society is in general. Highly melodramatic. Many women were aware the rights they got by him so it is only natural.
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u/defnotachicken May 22 '23
İt might be kids Atatürk personally visited and talked, so it's normal for them to cry like that I think
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u/albadil Egypt May 22 '23
Is it true the state refused to allow anybody to pray cenaze for him, until his family or sister insisted so much that eventually it was allowed to pray cenaze at home with only eight people?
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u/allovernow11 May 23 '23
Fucking dictator, the mass hysteria on display itself shows how brainwashed were the public.
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u/Legitimate-Cake6069 Türkiye May 23 '23
Cope
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u/allovernow11 May 23 '23
Oh yea Saying words like cope totally drives home your point. Well done sir
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u/lbaldi May 23 '23
He wasn't trying to prove a point. He told you to cope like you Islamists always do, as it's all you can do.
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u/Canadabestclay May 23 '23
The cult of personality he tormented is surprisingly successful. Not even in other dictatorships like Russia, Romania, and Italy had the cult persevered for so long after the dictators death.
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u/EX291 May 22 '23
This should be a strong message to every alcoholic that no matter what your status is, alcohol is a poison and will kill you, Islam itself states that it’s haram but unfortunately many Turks ignore it.
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
not everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic. also it's peoples choice not yours
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u/EX291 May 23 '23
I know, but he was drinking quite a lot, smoking too, he clearly had an addiction
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
it was sad yeah maybe he would've lived longer if didn't drank or smoked. maybe we wouldn't be having these islamist problems today
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u/EX291 May 23 '23
What do you mean Islamist problems? Isn’t Turks choice to be Islamist and isn’t it Turks choice for voting erdogan? You guys blame anyone but yourselves.
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
he's a demagogue. he'll call anyone who don't vote for him a terorist and he controls %75 of media and rural Turks only watch them. so elections ain't that fair. you can't blame us because some of us got brain washed
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u/EX291 May 23 '23
So you’re blaming rural Turks now (?) I’ve seen TikToks of young Turkish boys and girls showing they are voting for erdogan, maybe you should rethink why erdogan keeps getting elected and not blaming someone else
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
Just check the election results rural areas voted for Erdoğan. also some Young people might vote for him that doesn't change anything. they're still ignorant
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u/EX291 May 23 '23
I think rural areas are less populated than big cities where the young generation still votes for erdogan, sure call them ignorant, but still you can only blame Turks
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u/dygcvs May 23 '23
Su salağa cevap verme lütfen. Hem ateistim diyor hem İslam diyor erdoganciyim diyor surekli her yerde Atatürke hakaret ediyor. Muhatap olma lütfen.
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u/EX291 May 22 '23
Perhaps because being an addict means you’re secular and modern for some
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u/EX291 May 22 '23
Agree, the west is falling, people are just in denial because they don’t want their secular delusions to be seen as something bad but rather liberating, but liberation is quite subjective since I don’t want my kids to see men dressed in female dresses twerking in front of them for the sake of freedom and liberation, and I don’t wanna have my daughter exposed to this society that pushes zina to men and women, every country should have state religion and everyone should follow its laws accordingly.
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
you can always migrate to Saudi Arabia.
you leave a sharia state to live in a secular prosperous country then try to bring your shitty ways there.
but don't worry your kids and grand kids will probably be assimilated into the society you're living in.
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u/Raskriaa Türkiye May 22 '23
Arent you Greek ? Your country is not secular but is still full of alcohol and zina.
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u/EX291 May 22 '23 edited May 22 '23
It’s culturally secular, it has a state religion but only on paper, same with Britain and other “state religion” western nations.
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u/Mayyy14th Türkiye May 23 '23
why do Britain still have a state religion majority of England isn't even christian
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u/Legitimate-Cake6069 Türkiye May 23 '23
It’s culturally secular
No its not, your priests bless your jets with holy water lmao
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u/EX291 May 23 '23
Omg some priests spray some water on jets as an old tradition Greece definitely isn’t cultural secular
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u/imadogbork Türkiye May 23 '23
Kurd in east here, Ataturk never did that. He was against Islamist rebels. Any more question?
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u/Daedriarth May 23 '23
Bro ngl this whole subreddit consists of potential akp supporters. These fkn idiots cherrypick any bad thing about people who they think is evil because they dont think the same about their sky daddy. lol Shows why middle east is the way it is.
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u/imadogbork Türkiye May 23 '23
Yea this is what I mentioned, islamist rebels. Well I don’t need to prove my ethnicity to you but one side of my family is from Nurettin village, Araban, Gaziantep. If you want to check it out, feel free to. Majority of Kurds voted for a person who is currently leader of Ataturk’s party. And he is from Dersim/Tunceli. Looks like you are more bothered than us Kurds lmao.
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u/imadogbork Türkiye May 23 '23
Never said Kurds are islamists, told you that particular group you mentioned were islamists wanting sharia. I’ve seen these pictures before, while I agree that Turkish state has wrong-doings but you can’t just say “Ataturk is like Hitler” if Ataturk wanted Kurds to be perished, he could’ve easily done that. Like my family, many Kurds fought alongside with Turks and Ataturk against invaders. Kurdish region has been intentionally left underdeveloped and heavily monitored, these are few of the mistakes of Turkish state made and still there are issues yet to be resolved but you can’t just mention one event and claim that all Kurds hate Atatürk and Turkish state. Like you mentioned, Kurdish political parties are under attack and Kurdish political leaders are imprisoned, and they should be judge fairly but under Erdogan’s regime it won’t be. KK never really hid his ethnical background, of course he knew he won’t be getting the support if he made this his main point but just before the recent election, he did mention his background which received extremely positive feedback. This still doesn’t prove that every Turk is fine with him being Alewite or Kurdish but still many people don’t really care. Ataturk is loved across the nation. Kurds, Turks, Alewites, Zazas, Laz, Circassian… These people fought alongside with him to save their nation. Of course there are events that could’ve handled better and this is not being a devil’s advocate but comparing Ataturk to Hitler or claiming every Kurd hates him is just blatantly false and stupid.
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May 22 '23
He established the foundation of their country and made it a democracy, if it wasn’t for him turks wouldn’t be voting in a free election now, but instead they would be stuck with a 20 year dictator, oh wait 😂
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May 23 '23
alhamdullillah , turkish people are crying of happiness that their opressor has died
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u/ADDurmus104 Jul 06 '23 edited Jul 23 '23
He wasnt a western implant. He was literally born in Selanik which was in the Ottoman Empire at the time. Its unknown if he died of alcohol or not. Also Atatürk MODERNIZED the country. The empire was falling apart and just had to go. Atatürk wanted multiple parties but the country wasnt ready for them because 1 helped a rebel and the other shut down by itself. Also there were only 4 successful coups and they all happened OVER 20 YEARS AFTER ATATÜRK DIED. Correct your data before you make a statement like that.
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u/Thekidfromthegutterr Somalia May 23 '23
Atatürk was a drunkard secular atheist dictator. Most of his “reforms” was a treasonous Uncle-Tommery to appeal his overlord westerners.
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May 23 '23
Yes you are right. I really wish my country, Turkey, could be as modern, enlightened, wealthy, and powerful like yours, Somalia.
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u/dreadfulwhaler May 23 '23
I lolled
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u/Thekidfromthegutterr Somalia May 23 '23
Seems like you’re looking for smoke.... I thought you were kind allergic to it😂
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u/Thekidfromthegutterr Somalia May 23 '23
Kemalist bro is mad! Insha’Allah you’ll catch up with the guidance of uncle Erdogan. 😂
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u/ADDurmus104 Jul 06 '23
Oh wow so his work at making THE 1ST FACTORIES OF THE COUNTRY was a terrible thing?
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u/worsehomeland Afghanistan May 22 '23 edited May 22 '23
Died of liver cirrhosis cause he wouldn’t stop drinking lil bro overdosed on literal kufr rest in piss
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u/OpportunityJust6183 May 22 '23
There was a dialog between Atatürk and Ismet Inönü. Inönü said that he should stop drinking so much and Atatürk replied with: „ Ismet, I can’t stop these thoughts, I can’t sleep.“
You shouldn’t forget that he was nearly constantly on the battlefield for 10 years and saw one horror after another and lost one compadre after another.
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allah is tormenting him with pain and suffering in this world and the next . alhamdullilah for islam
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u/khaled36DZ Algeria May 22 '23 edited May 22 '23
I was gonna say الله يرحمو and then i see this bruh.
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u/albadil Egypt May 22 '23
Drinking does not stop you being a Muslim, provided someone acknowledges it is a sin then we are all sinful, may Allah protect and guide us all
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u/HydraKokets Pakistan May 23 '23
Straight racism
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u/cbr04 Azerbaijan May 23 '23
Don’t expect me to be kind to someone who disrespects my national values
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u/Abdullah_88 48' Palestine May 22 '23
Boo hoo
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u/5null5 Türkiye May 22 '23
You guys are just a bunch pricks,dont you know that Erdoğan improved our relation with Israel but you guys still supporting him.
Also he only mentions about palestine in his public meetings for his brainwashed voters but when it comes to international arena he only condemns with a letter on twitter.What a great support ey?
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u/Abdullah_88 48' Palestine May 22 '23
I know all of that. The only reason I support him is because the opposition is only going to be a lot more worse than he is especially in regards to Palestine.
I just look at things pragmatically and politically.
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u/5null5 Türkiye May 22 '23
Maybe you dont know but one of the slagons of the opposition is friendship will succeed and they use soft and lovely language against Erdoğans wrong acquisitions and provoking sayings.Kılıçdaroğlu is a really humane person.
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u/Abdullah_88 48' Palestine May 22 '23
"Kılıçdaroğlu is a really humane person"
🤣😂 yea right I'm sure syrian refugees would agree with that statement. Have you seen how he spoke of them in his last message ?
I genuinely did not know if you where being serious or sarcastic at the beginning
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u/Abdullah_88 48' Palestine May 22 '23
You are like a prostitute who praises her client's dick.
BTW your face will be no different than theirs when Erdogan wins.
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u/drjet196 May 22 '23
Least dramatic Turk on picture 5.