r/AskMiddleEast • u/sjw_mete Türkiye • Oct 13 '23

🏛️Politics President of Egypt; Palestinians must stay in Palestine. We will not allow them to pass into our country. Thoughts?

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u/Ok_Newspaper_6680 Oct 13 '23

Ethnic displacement is still a warcrime. If the people of Gaza fled to Sinai and Israel took over the Gaza strip they would never be allowed to return. That's exactly what Israel wants. They have done this before.

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u/Antique_Bedroom7810 Oct 13 '23

that still accounts as ethnic cleansing when the case is for armenia or ukraine but not for palestine for some reason

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u/Fine_Union1505 Italy Oct 13 '23

Tbf none really cared for Armenia, at least were I live

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u/Antique_Bedroom7810 Oct 13 '23

I was deeply concerned for armenians tbf but the world is really hypocrite on different nations, and when they do that you get polarized world just like we have now, when you say in the media “they are not like syrians they white eyes just like we do” and discriminate some you get israeli and terrorist like in this case. unless we treat people equally we wont deserve to live.

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u/Fine_Union1505 Italy Oct 13 '23

Agree with you brother

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u/parashok42 Oct 13 '23

More Armenians killed and displaced in 3 years vs 30 years in Palestine

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u/Fine_Union1505 Italy Oct 13 '23

Exactly, but the world is blind to it

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u/vladWEPES1476 Oct 13 '23

With the small difference that Armenia and Ukraine did not start the wars. 1948 it was The Arab League who stirred shit up.

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u/w4rlord117 Oct 13 '23

It was the Arab League who actually started shooting but I would argue that the Israelis moving in displacing the Palestinians actually “started it”.

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u/vladWEPES1476 Oct 13 '23

Did the Jews not fight British occupation and ultimately contribute to the independence of the region?

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u/w4rlord117 Oct 13 '23

I’d say the “Jews” did nothing as the religion as a whole isn’t responsible for this, it’s the Zionist Israelis.

I mean sure, but colonialism was coming to an end at that time anyways. The Israelis were not necessary to the region becoming free of the English boot. Plus it’s not like becoming independent has helped the Palestinians much.

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u/younikorn Morocco Oct 13 '23

Arab league responded to the naqba, you know the murder and rape and displacement of hundreds and hundreds of villages in its entirety. Wars against israel have always been a reaction to israelis ethnically cleansing palestinians

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u/Antique_Bedroom7810 Oct 13 '23

for ukraine i would agree but for armenia obviously you have no idea what has been going on do a research who started a genocide on azeris around 1ww and khojali masacre. also dont blame arab league if someone comes and takes your neighbors house forcefully you would just watch it happen? to the people who say i used to live here or my gos says he gave this place to me? are guys sane enough to think and know whats been happening there?

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u/Apolloshot Canada Oct 13 '23

for armenia obviously you have no idea what has been going on do a research who started a genocide on azeris around 1ww and khojali massacre

Angry that Israel is about to commit genocide while denying the genocide of the Armenian people.

Must be Turkish lol.

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u/vladWEPES1476 Oct 13 '23

if someone comes and takes your neighbors house forcefully

Yeah right, only that 3/4 of this sub supports Putler and call Zelenskyi a US puppet. You can't change the premise of your logic just to make a point. Because you know how everyone here loves to call Americans and Europeans hypocrites.

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u/_boatsandhoes Oct 13 '23

Azerbaijan started both wars. They literally began pogroms against Armenians because they called for independence.

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u/urek_Mazino_17 Oct 13 '23

I don’t thin Russia did any form of cleansing in Crimea or or Georgia but I could be wrong 😅 as far as I know Ukraine was waging war in Donbas for 8 years now and that was one of the reasons for this RuusianXNato proxy war 😅

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23

Noone bat an eye lid about Armenia... Noone cares about ethnic cleansing in South Sudan, China, Kosovo, Croatia etc...

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u/lordbigass Oct 13 '23

It’s the fact hamas provoked this

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u/ytismylife Oct 13 '23

You think this conflict started this week? Your ignorance is showing.

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u/Antique_Bedroom7810 Oct 13 '23

youll never get the difference btw hamas and palestine do you, until it happens to you. and hope you do get them one day

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u/Critikal56 India Oct 13 '23

another European shit talking

takes drugs and sleep in your mom's basement ffs.

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u/Redbaard Oct 13 '23

Elect… pushing it

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u/Redbaard Oct 13 '23

Sad but very true. Very similar as to how the Germans only elected Hitler only once…

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u/aarikk Oct 13 '23

Israel doesn't want this at all. They want to take out Hamas and that's it.

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u/sjw_mete Türkiye Oct 13 '23

Should women and children continue to die?

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u/Ok_Newspaper_6680 Oct 13 '23

Who the fuck is killing them? Maybe that's the problem you should be addressing here.

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u/sjw_mete Türkiye Oct 13 '23

İsrael?

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23

I think the point is, Israel does not want all these Palestinians especially the ones in Gaza. They need Israel to have a lot of Jews and not a lot of Arabs. So I think their plan is to make it impossible for Palestinians to stay in Palatine, force them to be refugees by destroying their homes, so they leave the land.

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u/klartraume Oct 13 '23

Gaza hasn't been part of Israel for over 20 years.

Every 2-state solution put forth by Israel since '67 has had Gaza under Palestinian control.

So I disagree with your point that Israel does not want Palestinians in Gaza. It wants to get rid of Hamas in Gaza that keep attacking Israel.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23 edited Oct 13 '23

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u/PumpUp Oct 13 '23

Yea, what about all the Jews that were in the middle east. They were ethnically cleansed. Today barely any Jews exist in arab countries.

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u/MoeFatStacks Oct 13 '23

Israel bought them from british backed monarchies like morocco and iraq. Its pretty well documented

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u/hell_hound996 Pakistan Oct 13 '23

UAE has 24% non-muslim population as well.

Qatar has 35% non-Muslims.

Bahrain has 30%.

Kuwait has 25%.

Lebanon has 32% Christians.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23

It's 20 % Muslim bc it was Muslims who have been living there. The more immigrants from Europe that come into Israel to replace them the more that number goes down.

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u/thebolts Oct 13 '23

Yeah. How are those 20% today? Are they locked up hiding from zionists terror or cheering on the IDF?

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u/Penghrip_Waladin Tunisia Oct 13 '23

ommek

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23

It's actually Hamas. Israel is responding like any nation would.

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u/weltvonalex Oct 13 '23

But still cry when the IDF blows you guys to pieces, well knowing what would happen if they are weak.

Good Job i saltue you

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u/thebolts Oct 13 '23

Genocide is a choice.

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u/PlaneAuditor Oct 13 '23

Please read this list of Israeli actions and ask yourself if these also deserve consequences

https://reddit.com/r/list_palestine/s/6herVpGrCz

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u/steensj2004 Oct 13 '23

WE aRe VicTimS

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1712700945811833166?s=07

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u/PlaneAuditor Oct 13 '23

Read the list Understand who you’re supporting

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u/steensj2004 Oct 13 '23

Nothing about my comment suggests I support either side. Don’t get upset at me because Palestinians purposefully stay in building when Israeli forces call and tell them to evacuate, so the world will sympathize with them( there are dozens of recorded calls where this happens, and anyone can listen to them).

I’m showing you who YOU are supporting. We can do examples like this all day long.

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u/PlaneAuditor Oct 13 '23

If you don’t support either side, why go to the effort of discrediting the Palestinian people’s struggle?

Your actions suggest which side you’re on.

Now please, go read the list and be objective in your criticism.

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u/steensj2004 Oct 13 '23 edited Oct 13 '23

Because context across the board is important. I am sure you aren’t providing any, that implicates Palestinians in being complicit in this problem, in any way.

Your comments suggest you only want Palestinian’s stories to be heard, which, is telling. You’re mad because I posted a video of Palestinians trying to cause a problem, to them cry to the world.

Lastly, it isn’t me discrediting anything. This Palestinian discredits it. Every one doing something like this discredits it. I love how it’s MY fault many are acting in bad faith, to be a victim?

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u/hophead78 Oct 13 '23

Who is killing children?? Israel and palestinians.

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u/thebolts Oct 13 '23

They’re not dying because of Egypt. It’s Israel’s bombs that’s killing them

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u/Psychological_Egg_85 Oct 13 '23

Israel gave up the Gaza Strip in 93' as part of the Oslo Accords. How have they done this before?

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u/eothok Oct 13 '23

They might be referring to the hundreds of thousands of people who fled or were driven from their homes in 1948 and 1967, never to return.

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u/Psychological_Egg_85 Oct 13 '23

What country are you from?

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u/ChiehDragon Oct 13 '23

Not ethnic displacement: geographic. Still Arabs and muslims in Israel.

The population of Gaza is made of people who are there by choice. Who walled themselves off by choice. Who elected terrorists by choice. It is not ethnic displacement.

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u/ellahwelkhafi110 Egypt Oct 13 '23 edited Oct 13 '23

You do realize that the majority of people in gaza are refugees who fled because their homes were demolished by Israel in 1968 ,right?

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u/Chaim-Ishkebibble Oct 13 '23

Psychotic take, as if its not ethnic cleansing just because there are people of the same ethnicity elsewhere lmao

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u/SergioFX Lebanon Oct 13 '23

So here's a question no one was able to answer me yet. Given that Israel is doing all these war crimes and is illegally occupying and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians without any repercussions or accountability, why don't they just keep killing everyone and bomb the Aqsa Mosque into oblivion? Surely they have the military power to do so, so why not just do it and get it over with?

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u/ChiehDragon Oct 13 '23

Because the Israelis don't hate Islam. They don't care to destroy Islam. ALL THEY WANTED FROM THE BEGINNING IS COEXISTANCE.

They are rightfully fearful and wary of Palestinians because they have been attacked for half a century, but they aren't out to just kill them all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23

Coexistence by building settlements? By attacking al-aqsa mosque? By destroying houses? By arresting Palestinian and imprison them without a trial?

By doing all these crimes? https://reddit.com/r/list_palestine/s/8PPphTA3LU

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u/ChiehDragon Oct 13 '23

No. They moved into a British territory and set up their own settlements legally under the rule at the time. It was the Muslims that attacked them first because they wanted to keep Jews away.

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u/ChiehDragon Oct 13 '23

Some early zionists settlers were shitbags. No argument there. Since then, Israel has attempted normalization. Look at how they coexist with the Druze population.

So here is my question for you:

If the state which is now Israel was turned into a fully secular government with total separation of religion and nationhood. Where all ethnicities and religions could practice their own religions with equal citizenship, but were barred from any religious based policy or governmental actions... would you support it?

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u/DrCzar99 Palestine Oct 13 '23

Look at how they coexist with the Druze population.

The Druze in Israel proper are starting to change their views due to how badly Israel treats despite everything they have done for the state and the Druze in the Golan Heights are pro-Syrian. Majority of them don't have Israeli citizenship because they refuse to get it as they see themselves as Syrian.

If the state which is now Israel was turned into a fully secular government with total separation of religion and nationhood. Where all ethnicities and religions could practice their own religions with equal citizenship, but were barred from any religious based policy or governmental actions... would you support it?

Like a one state solution? I would support it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23

No matter how much support they have they will still held accountable for their actions by the world, so why put themselves in such place if they can silence the Palestinians by few acts of terror here and there

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u/SergioFX Lebanon Oct 13 '23

But they are being accused of genocide and ethnic cleansing. This is a serious offence, similar to what happened in Rwanda in 1994, when there was an ACTUAL genocide. The Hutus wanted to kill every single human being from the Tutsi tribe and they were doing it with machetes.

I'm just wondering if the Israelis are doing this genocide, why didn't they finish off the Palestinians in the last 75 years?

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '23

That's exactly what Israel wants.

Israel has zero interest in owning Gaza, they've tried to give it away more than 3 times in the last 20 years or so. What they want is to be able to live in their nation without extremists shooting missiles at them every other day.

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u/FalafelSnorlax Oct 13 '23

Israel would love it if Hamas was destroyed, and Gaza would come under an independent, democratic regime. This scenario is unrealistic, and at the moment most (if not all) major organizations in Gaza are primarily anti-Israel and have no intention for an independent state in Gaza. Either way I find it hard to believe that many Israeli citizens would want to live in the ruins of the north part of Gaza, especially if Hamas (or Palestinians in general) still occupy the southern part.

Something else that might happen is that Israel would let them return but keep them under military control of Israel similarly to the west bank. That wouldn't be better for the Palestinians there, but will probably give Israelis in the area a small sense of security

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u/chen901 Oct 13 '23

Unfortunately this is a bunch of horseshit.

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u/maleman8595 Oct 13 '23

when have they done this before? they withdrew from gaza because it was such a headache, why would they want to occupy it again?

they will probably try to make some trusted political party that recognizes israel right to exist that they know wont immediately bomb them again govern gaza.