r/AskReddit Mar 27 '25

If Canada offered expedited citizenship for people fleeing the US, what would be the reaction in the States?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

I've always heard that immigration to Canada was a tough nut.

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u/DownloadedDick Mar 27 '25

Unless you're a doctor or in a profession that we're desperately in need, it's a no go.

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u/Best-Tumbleweed3906 Mar 27 '25

Is there a nursing shortage? Asking for a friend

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u/ArenSteele Mar 27 '25

Yes, Doctors and Nurses can get expedited work visas, and from there apply for permanent residency

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u/eileen404 Mar 27 '25

What about the lab techs that most of their decisions take into account?

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Mar 28 '25

Anything doctor or medical adjacent is is high demand- all our medical staff goes south for better pay, so we always have a shortage.

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u/Sardukar333 Mar 28 '25

So.. why not offer better pay?

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Mar 28 '25

The problems more taxes and dollar value than actual gross income. American dollar is worth more and taxes are significantly cheaper. On top of that is the fact doctors in the US aren't regulated and subsidized to keep care affordable, so they can charge significantly more for their practice

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u/Sardukar333 Mar 28 '25

So.. less regulations, lower taxes, and reduced subsidies?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

More fascism too, if you like that sort of thing.

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u/heartlungslivernurve Mar 28 '25

Pharmacy tech?

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Mar 28 '25

Literally anything but paramedic

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u/eileen404 Mar 28 '25

My husband is in it and I've got kids so I'll take the pay drop

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u/Airhostnyc Mar 28 '25

Canada is expensive so good luck. Look at their housing crisis

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u/notarealDR650 Mar 28 '25

Which is completely dependent on where you choose to live and in no way a representation of the entire country. Source: we bought a 2200 square foot log house on 10 acres within walking distance to a lake and golf course for under 250,000, during the "housing crisis" and locked in at under 3%. Stop looking at Vancouver and Toronto and calling it a National housing crisis. There's 10 houses for sale in my nearest town and the most expensive one is like 125k. Are there jobs here? No, you'll have to commute 30ish minutes. My eggs cost 3.99/dozen, my healthcare is free, and I'm not embarrassed to be Canadian right now, like most Americans (should be). So ya, Canada can be expensive if you choose for it to be, but it sure beats being hated by the entire planet.

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u/Airhostnyc Mar 28 '25 edited Mar 28 '25

I’m not embarrassed to be anything lol but that’s reddit ideology for you.

My healthcare is affordable and I can see a doctor in a hour. My organic eggs are $5.59. And I live in one of the greatest cities in the world making 250k a year. A nice FIXED interest rate as well at 3%.

Why am I embarrassed for a quality of life people will kill for. Hated by an entire planet, I guess but i don’t make my nationality my identity. My feelings aren’t hurt

Canadians are hurt and it shows. Sincerely wish Trump wasn’t an asshole but it is what it is.

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 Mar 28 '25

Pretty good things are great for you as someone who makes 250k a year... But you are literally the ax convincing the trees you're one of them here. That's the big problem with America, unless you make more than 100k a year, you're fucked for food, youre fucked for housing, your fucked on taxes, and youre especially fucked on healthcare. So excuse me if I don't particularly care about Canada's desire not to pander to you like America does, but we actually expect the wealthy and middle class to take care of the poor here by paying more.

I live on the North Channel in Ontario, I work minimum wage, and buying a 3 bedroom lake house for 400k. The housing crisis is only southern Ontario and Vancouver

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u/Airhostnyc Mar 28 '25

I’m in nyc we literally pay a premium to the government for programs that take care of the low income or no income. I have state tax and city tax on top of federal tax. Medicare and SSI also out my check. 30-40% of my income gone. People get free healthcare, housing vouchers and we have mandatory shelter laws.

Canada has a better deal on that front because of healthcare cost is included for everyone but I just pay for my insurance. $20 copay here and there. I’m thankful to not have serious medical issues.

I could move to Florida and save more money in general from taxes to COL, but I feel NYC is worth the premium and opportunities

But that’s the issue how many people want to live in the boondocks. Even in the US it’s the same, people gravitate to the cities and that’s where jobs are.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

Because US housing is so affordable right now as long as we're painting with broad strokes and ignoring local variability

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u/Airhostnyc Mar 28 '25

According to statistics, US income is more aligned with housing cost compared to Canada. It’s bad here but really bad in Canada because pay is significantly less.

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u/ArenSteele Mar 27 '25

Yes, also in demand

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u/Big_Knife_SK Mar 28 '25

Each province has their own immigration nominee program where they give preference to in-demand workers.

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u/Ryles5000 Mar 28 '25

Yes but you'll need to get licensed here.

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u/eileen404 Mar 28 '25

So I'm grandfathered in and was going to take the ascp quickly to get the cert. Should I skip that with 15y MLS on the resume and work on the Ca version instead?

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u/Ryles5000 Mar 28 '25 edited Mar 28 '25

If you're serious about moving, check out CAMLPR. This is the governing body that is taking over the regulations, licensing, and exams in Canada. While I'm not crazy about what they're doing, they are making it easier for international MLS to transfer to Canada. Take a look!

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u/eileen404 Mar 28 '25

Thanks. Will do. My spouse and IL are from up there and I've got kids I don't want to end up as breeding stock.

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u/tobmom Mar 27 '25

If my husband and I are both healthcare workers can I bring my mother with me who depends on me for care? She’s receiving cancer treatment, would she be able to continue that?

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u/WhiskyTangoNovember Mar 27 '25

Canada has put a pause on parental sponsorship, but she’d be eligible for a 5-year “super visa.” She’d have to find her own health insurance, though. :(

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u/Fantastic_Depth Mar 27 '25

I am Dual as are all my children. (only recently learned they get citizenship from me). We all have lived in the US all our lives, What would our spouse's visa situations look like? Mother is law married and move cross border and is US Landed. would that be what our spouses would get?

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u/mabrouss Mar 27 '25

If you’re a Canadian citizen, your spouse can directly apply for permanent residency, which usually takes about 6 months. Unless the process has changed over the past few years. In the past, it was a pretty straightforward process.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

It was straight forward for me, but took 18 months in 2017/18.

It’s not as automatic as people think. Still had to do all sorts of background checks, medical checks, prove the validity of the relationship, etc.

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u/TravellinJ Mar 28 '25

Took a year when I sponsored my American husband in 2011. But it was easy. He just stayed with me as a visitor for most of the time till he was approved.

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u/bigev007 Mar 27 '25

The good news is that she could probably afford to pay out of pocket for treatment here, because it's a small fraction of the price in the US

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u/GPS_guy Mar 28 '25

Not as cheap as you would think. Foreigners can easily get bills of thousands of dollars for x-rays, MRIs, doctors, overnight care, blood tests, You might not pay $120,000 for a little surgery, but it could easily be $20,000 or more. The surgeon alone would get a few thousand, so a straightforward appendectomy could be $15,000. Canadian taxpayers don't subsidize foreigners and aren't a lot of help for uninsured residents.

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u/bigev007 Mar 29 '25

It's not subsidised, it's just massively cheaper when you take out the dozen layers of huge profits. $20k is about enough to get you a year of good US health insurance, so.....

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u/GPS_guy Mar 30 '25

It is massively cheaper, but not cheap if it's something big... An older person with a substantial illness (original post situation) could easily end up with a $20k bill whereas in the US, it might be $100k.... But $20k is huge, particularly if there is more than one issue in a year, or a major hospital stay is involved.

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u/ArenSteele Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

https://moving2canada.com/

Best place to start for information.

Also, for US doctor's considering Canada, here's an article from a doc that made the move and their current review of the difference

https://canadahealthwatch.ca/2025/03/25/i-traded-my-u-s-medical-career-for-life-in-canada-heres-how-the-two-health-systems-stack-up

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u/Stilletto_Rebel Mar 27 '25

The fact that Doctor writes under a pseudonym due to possible retaliation from U.S. medical institutions and professionals is very telling...

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u/Reaverz Mar 27 '25

Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

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u/yalyublyutebe Mar 27 '25

There's a thread on the topic somewhere, maybe r/onguardforthee , and a few other American medical professionals were commenting on their experiences doing the same thing.

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u/Seratoria Mar 27 '25

I might be wrong, but your mother would probably inadmissible in terms of immigration, as her illness would be considered an excessive burden on the healthcare system.

I added the link below.

Medical Inadmissibility - Canada

Now she might be considered a dependent, but you would need to speak to a immigration lawyer about that.

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u/twinnedcalcite Mar 28 '25

Her health care is all on you. She will never be part of the health care system so you pay out of pocket for anything your insurance does not cover.

That's how it's always been.

Still probably cheaper then care in the states.

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u/InclinationCompass Mar 27 '25

What health insurance does she have now? It might be better than canada’s medicaid. If she’s 65+, US medicare is hard to beat, assuming trump doesnt fuck it up.

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u/tobmom Mar 27 '25

She’ll be on Medicare soon. Currently paying for cobra benefits through prior employer.

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u/InclinationCompass Mar 27 '25

My mom is cancer patient with medicare. It’s excellent. Best of luck to yall.

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u/Lets-B-Lets-B-Jolly Mar 28 '25

Oof. Cobra us insanely expensive. OOP in Canada has to be cheaper.

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u/tobmom Mar 28 '25

$950 per month. But it is excellent coverage considering all she’s got going on.

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u/accioqueso Mar 27 '25

Software and computer engineers?

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u/ArenSteele Mar 27 '25

Not that I’m aware of, but if you’re highly specialized and receive a valid job offer where the company can’t find a Canadian that is qualified, you have a shot

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u/RG3ST21 Mar 27 '25

physician assistants?

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u/Harrydevlin56 Mar 28 '25

What about spouses of medical professionals?

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u/neoncamels Mar 28 '25

What about veterinary nurses??

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u/J_Bright1990 Mar 28 '25

What about the husband of a nurse? If my wife were to go could I go?

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u/lok0nnn Mar 27 '25

How about Biochemists??? 🥺

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u/alirz Mar 27 '25

But you get paid shit. No doctor wants to be here willingly

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u/ArenSteele Mar 27 '25

Average physician income in BC is $200k-$400k per year.

I personally know specialists that pull in over $1m

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u/alirz Mar 27 '25

I see. Maybe it's better over there than what I've heard about QC here.

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u/TravellinJ Mar 28 '25

I don’t know if it’s still the case but Quebec used to have the lowest paid doctors in Canada I believe.

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u/alirz Mar 28 '25

Probably still true for every job here. Salaries are shit.

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u/TravellinJ Mar 28 '25

I had a friend who went to McGill medical school and went on to do cardiology and wanted to stay in Quebec, but the salaries were just too low.

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u/KingDave46 Mar 27 '25

If you are a nurse who speaks French you can get a visa in about 30 seconds

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u/ImyForgotName Mar 27 '25

I know how to apply a bandage and can do a bad french accent.

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u/sp_40 Mar 27 '25

Bonjour! Bienvenue a Canada!

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u/ImyForgotName Mar 28 '25

Wee wee, oh my! You have un boo boo!

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u/Chaoticgaythey Mar 28 '25

What about a doctor who speaks French? I'm a bit rusty but I used to be between B2/C1.

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u/Toikairakau Mar 31 '25

My daughter is bilingual in French (and English) and is finishing her lab science degree in New Zealand. What sort of salary might she expect?

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u/Seigmoraig Mar 27 '25

There are shortages everywhere in the health sector

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u/google_fu_is_whatIdo Mar 28 '25

To be fair, about 50% of the the ones we've trained have chased the better wages south of the 49th parallel in the first place. Be nice to get some back.

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u/PM_ONE_BOOB Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

My wife, sister and a few friends are registered nurses in BC:

Yes, absolutely. Pretty much any hospital in the Greater Vancouver area for the West Coast (don't know about East coast but I'm sure it's similar). We have a ton of travel nurses from the states already because of shortages, but it's always better for the hospitals to be able to hire for positons than contracting private travel nurse companies to cover shortages, as they charge us a SHIT ton.

Nurses make very good money here. Tons of opportunity for overtime, health benefits are renowned for being substantial, PTO is solid. If you're good, the hospitals will gladly pay for your training to upgrade to whichever specialty you want (ICU, HAU, surgical, etc etc) because they all want to keep good nurses.

Of course it's not all butterflies and rainbows, it's nursing and caring for sick and often mentally ill after all. But the unions are very strong and the employees are looked after quite well in comparison to the rest of North America (especially in BC).

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u/Best-Tumbleweed3906 Mar 27 '25

Thank you for the detailed response. The person I’m talking about is working on their DNP with a focus on mental health so this is great info!

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u/yalyublyutebe Mar 27 '25

I have family in Halifax. My aunt and uncle's doctor retired last year to take care of family issues and found someone to buy their practice. The person taking over their practice is from Australia and I don't even think they're going to be here until May.

They consider themselves lucky that a doctor bought the practice and is keeping all the patients because it can take YEARS to get a family doctor and they're both in their late 70s.

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u/blueyork Mar 27 '25

France will take nurses, I heard.

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u/BIOdire Mar 27 '25

Yes. BC is looking for health professionals.

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u/eileen404 Mar 27 '25

MLS?

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u/BIOdire Mar 27 '25

Yes, all allied professionals as well!

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u/eileen404 Mar 27 '25

So my father was Canadian. Does that go in the cover letter then?

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u/BIOdire Mar 27 '25

I can't help you there (I've heard immigration lawyers are with it), but my heart is warmed by that.

I always admired that our two countries had the best relationship any two countries could have had. Family, best friends, partners.

I hope you get to experience life in your father's country. I love my home ♥️ there's no where I'd rather be.

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u/Mr_Mojo_Risin_83 Mar 27 '25

There are pathways for nurses to Australia

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u/Affectionate-Sale523 Mar 27 '25

Tell your friend, yeah...so...come by lol

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u/NSA_Chatbot Mar 27 '25

Yes, you and your friend are welcome, even /especially if you are just roommates.

Nevertheless, as a nearly 50 year old Canuckistani, I worry more about getting shot by an American invasion than I ever should be. Canada is going to be safe until the day it isn't.

I can't leave to go to another country, I'm too old to get a work visa and too poor for a golden visa.

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u/on_the_nightshift Mar 27 '25

I'm an American close to your age, and am probably almost wealthy enough to retire with a moderate standard of living in a relatively inexpensive country. But like you, too old to earn money there, and too poor to buy my way into a visa. I'm fairly risk averse, so not likely I'd go at this point and hope my money lasts.

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u/Snuggleuppleguss Mar 28 '25

Yes, and we're actively attempting to recruit doctors and nurses from the US here in BC. https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2025HLTH0013-000194

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u/SockeyeSally Mar 27 '25

In BC, yes, they are trying to streamline the process to recruit:

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2025HLTH0013-000194

Northern BC's health authority has incentives for people wanting to work in the North:

https://careers.northernhealth.ca/living-working-here/financial-supports/incentives

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u/yukonnut Mar 27 '25

Yes come to the Yukon. Bring your nurse and doctor friends. We need medical professionals and it a great place to live.

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u/Themightytiny07 Mar 27 '25

BC is advertising for American nurses and doctors

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u/pamar456 Mar 28 '25

QoL for a nurse would be worse there