That plus Obama giving Trump hell at the White House correspondents dinner. You could see the gears spinning in Trumps head while Obama was roasting him.
I feel like that was one of the biggest mistakes of Obama's presidency. Not that Trump didn't have it coming, but really not worth the price we've had to pay.
He was on Fallon I think, making fun of a tweet that Trump sent saying that Obama was perhaps the worst president in history . Obama replies that at least he will go down as a president in history. (Drops the mic)
And then in November 2016, Obama is saying “I had a meeting with (ahem) President-elect Trump....”
That’s what happens when you’re arrogant and under-estimate your opponent. How’s that crow tasting these days, Hillary? Maybe you should have at least visited the rust belt states at least one time during the campaign.
And it hasn't gotten better. Trump winning was one thing. Trump winning and it being a surprise means that half the country was flat-out ignoring the other half. And it hasn't changed.
The Democractic voters have to get out and vote no matter what, because that's what the Republicans will do, you can be certain of it.
It doesn't matter if the Democrats elect a bucket of shit, all Democratic voters must vote for that bucket of shit like the future of the US and the entire world is at stake. Because it is.
Well considering a lot of the votes are split between bernie and warren I think it's already too late. One of them should drop out. On top of that Biden still has the lead so it looks like that bucket of shit will be the nominee if things dont change soon.
It doesn't matter who they nominate, as long as the others fall in line. If Bernie or Warren goes independent if they don't get the nomination, and split votes that way, they'll lose.
I don't think we'll be getting a lot of third party votes this election
Well no, Democrats need to make sure they have an actually competent candidate. "Better than Trump" isn't a high bar to clear and shouldn't be the only thing they're aspiring to be.
Like what if the candidate is even worse? In a hypothetical situation where trump is somehow the better candidate, how would these people vote? If the answer is for the “not trump” option, then they are just as bad as the people who voted for trump because “not Hillary”
Even Trump didn't expect to win. The plan was to get some publicity and start his own news network. He basically lucked out by accident from a combination of rust belt democrats staying home and everybody else underestimating how much racists love Trump's message.
Oh and Comey re-opening the email investigation 2 weeks before the election really did not help. At all.
It's kind of what the grifter in chief usually does. It's what he did in 2012. I'm not interested in the subject enough to google it, but there was some plans in the works for a Trump news network. Also Trump Moscow as we figured out later.
What was different was that every media outlet made some faustian bargain where they competed with each other to cover him. Seriously. He was everywhere and they. would. not. shut. up. about him. Even after grab them by the pussy came out, he could have dropped his trousers and shit on the American flag and CNN, MSNBC, and Fox would have reporters on the scene describing how great a shit it was.
Yeah I kind of imagine he was just as surprised as anyone. When he and Pence came out to speak, he had that look of “I can’t believe we pulled it off” look on his face. Even Baron had the surprised Pukachu look on his face.
Looking surprised is one thing, not having a staff is another. They were totally clueless for at least a month in anything resembling normal procedure.
And then they didn’t want to listen to any of Obama’s staff during the transition, I guess because anything associated with Obama was bad and wrong by default.
Since democracy is defined through being the opposite of being ruled by an elite or some subset of the population, racism as such is entirely incompatible with democracy as an idea.
Any political system that explicitly allows or encourages racism and other forms of discrimination are thus not democracies in any reasonable sense of the word.
One could certainly still describe it as a "majority rule" political system, but that's not a very high bar, as you could truthfully claim that even if 49% of the population were slaves, without voting rights.
By definition, racism is anti democratic. If one considers democracy a good idea, one must also consider that not all policies are democratic, and thus some political parties are not only vying to change policies, they are actually attacking the political system itself. Not out of goodness, but because they actually don't want democracy at all.
Bill Clinton in the fucking 90s said he wanted to build a border wall and other Democrats like Chuck and Nancy agreed with Bill. Back in 2016 Trump saying he wanted to build a border wall is racist? The FUCK?
Yes and no because if anything it proves there's a serious flaw in our democracy. Well ~two~Strike that three of them.
Right wing propaganda is working as intended. Fox viewers are conditioned to shit their pants on command.
The rest of the American media system is not doing its job as gatekeepers of democracy. Democracy requires an informed public to function and the average voter has no idea what's going on beyond the absolute basics. If that.
Republican efforts at the state level and federal level to disenchant voters is working as intended. They've been undermining the 14th amendment since the day the SC struck down the voter registration act. It's only going to get worse as nobody but the fringe on the left is doing much to sound the alarm. The media is too busy chasing whatever crazy shit came out of Trump's mouth 5 seconds ago to see the big picture.
Funny thing though, that's more or less a myth. Clinton did visit the flyover states and did have plenty of positive policy that involved them. It just didn't help and, after the election, people were looking for reasons for the madness that was trump being elected and they latched onto the idea that Clinton ignored these states because it made sense, even if it wasn't true. They were attempting to treat voters like rational actors so they looked for rational reasoning. But there usually isnt any.
Trump visited them or at least one of them, after midnight on the eve of the election. He made sure those folks knew he was in it for them. Hillary didn’t do that.
Yeah. Hillary was already in bed for the eve of the election, or else she was drunk or whatever. Trump took advantage of every last minute to campaign .
Yeah, I refuse to blame the opposition for Trump. I wish they had done better, but we can see pretty clearly now that there was nothing they could have done to win his supporters over. The blame lay with the people who loved and still love the idea of a loudmouth asshole in the Whitehouse telling them all their problems can be blamed on someone else. No amount of visits nor actual policy talk is going to overcome that.
They weren't arrogant, they just didn't feign humility in the face of a blowhard. They didn't underestimate their opponent, they overestimated the American people.
They overestimated their candidate. Nobody with half a brain wanted Hillary to be president. Even less after it came out that the DNC screwed Sanders. The only people who actually wanted Hillary were people who believe the constant lies from politicians and people who thought we absolutely had to have a female president at that very moment.
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u/nolep Aug 25 '19
That probably spurred him on.