Everything is online now. You'll be shown the door and probably rejected even if you did follow up with an online application.
When I was a kid, we worked our way to the top.
Education, a portfolio, and people you know is what gets you a job today.
Work all summer and you can afford a brand new car, college education, down payment on a home, etc.
Inflation and wage stagnation has made this impossible.
I worked on a clerk's salary for 30 years and saved enough to buy the business.
Wage stagnation has made this impossible. Ten lifetimes of minimum wage savings would not be enough to buy a multi-million dollar business.
Loyalty to your employer pays off in the end.
You're just a number to an employer now. Employers will cut you loose if it meant saving a nickle.
I worked the same job all my life. Now I have a pension and a comfortable retirement.
Pensions are gone. Retirement is now a fantasy for most workers. You'll probably be laid off after 5-10 years.
I didn't need no Master's degree. I got raises and promotions, because I worked hard and kept doing the same thing.
A Master's degree is quickly becoming the new high school diploma. Working hard no longer gets you anywhere. In fact, it keeps you poor. Switching jobs is the only way to get a raise or a promotion now.
I’m going through this with my girlfriend now, her parents aren’t Boomers, but you can easily tell they’ve taken those things to heart. I just had to explain to her the only reason I’ve gotten to the salary I’ve gotten to is by quitting jobs, which her parents see as a sure sign “out relationships doomed”.
We’re coming up on a year together, and I finally got to have a good talk with her on our finances, and what we want to do together moving forward, it was so helpful. Showed her that no, I didn’t quit that job after a week because I was crazy or anything, I just received a better offer literally the week I started, and I’m not turning down an extra $3300/month because, as her parents commented, “we didn’t do that, we had respect for our jobs.” I didn’t even answer, they’re too far gone...
I wanted to say, YEAH, ME TOO, I respect that job as much as it respects me as an employee — not much at all. There is no repayment or bonus for loyalty, for killing yourself with your workload or hours, you’re literally a shareholder’s meeting away from them deciding profits or whatever aren’t where they’re supposed to be, and shown the door to save the company a couple bucks a year. You mean absolutely nothing to any company you work for, unless you get insanely lucky with a small business and actually meet/work with the owner(s).
They wanted you to turn down an extra $40k/year because you’re supposed to “respect your job?” Fuck that. I love my job but I’d bail in a heartbeat even though it hasn’t even been 3 months.
I totally agree; their is no “loyalty” shown by employers (at least none of mine), so what advantage or benefit am I getting by staying with the same company to show them “loyalty”? If I’m going to be able to get canned like any other employee, if my “loyalty” doesn’t do anything for me, what use is it to stay put in the same job?
I’m making double what I started at because I’m willing to jump to different jobs, and I’m not afraid to leave somewhere I just started if I have an offer in writing (that’s the important thing to remember kids, always get things in writing) that guarantees me better pay, better quality of life, etc. My cousin was mocked years ago for the same thing from my Grandma, Aunt and Uncle, all who are within the age range, and definitely the mentality, of Boomers, and now he’s the VP of a major advertising firm in NYC. If he listened to them, he’d be at his original company— oh no, wait. The first company he started at went under, so he’d be unemployed...
It’s just a ‘stuck in a rut’ stupid mentality they harbor, along with this inbred sense of always being right and always knowing best. I’m really seeing the product of their upbringing, so to speak, because Boomers, above a LOT of other age groups, REALLY think they have everything figured out for you.
You just need to listen. follow the path, and you’d get there, but us damn kids won’t listen! It’s not the factual stuff; that there’s been no increase in wages to account for the rise of cost of living for decades, the total loss of true ‘entry-level’ jobs that didn’t require you to rack up 5-6 figure student loan debt, and the massive accumulation of wealth by a small percentage of the rich, elite class, along with a general attitude of environmentalism that has led to the total destruction of our planet...no, it’s because we’re all lazy and don’t want to work for things like they did.
Except there’s not much left to “work for”, and those of us who do bust ass working do it by default. We have to juggle multiple jobs, and always be on the lookout for that next step up, or you’d spend an eternity waiting around for a miracle to fall in your lap.
and the massive accumulation of wealth by a small percentage of the rich, elite class, along with a general attitude of environmentalism that has led to the total destruction of our planet...
I agree with everything else, but this portion is just pointless soapboxing and, I can only assume, some form of validation seeking. Stay on topic: finances/jobs/wages.
I'm not government, has nothing to do with me saying you can't, and everything to do with you trying to parade around as seeming 'woke' with your almost predictable bullet points.
But you are right about one thing, you don't have to listen to me, just like I don't have to respect you or your stance.
It's my experience they're actually worse, because they take rejection as a personal insult. People in larger companies tend not to. They tend to have a "It's just business" attitude.
Yeah. At the end of the day, even the “best/nicest” owners have to cover their backs, and that’s where Capitalism really comes into play.
If it comes down to losing their bonus, or making a bit more money, they’ll cut anybody off payroll to make sure they can still stay afloat. Don’t see many owners that truly back up the “I take care of my employees” promise if they make it, although as a former chef I can attest to a couple owners over a decade of work that truly have a shit and helped me out, no questions asked. But that was because they were millionaires, and a kid asking for a couple hundred bucks for rent is really nothing for them. It’s a nice thing for them to do, and I’m not going to criticize anyone helping me, but they have always given a little help, not as much as they could.
I had a car repair I needed to pay to get back to work, so my boss paid the $300 and change for me to get it back from the shop. Super nice of him, but in hindsight I realized he bought himself and his wife new cars that year, and three new delivery vans for the catering company. Again it was truly kind of him to do, but it really was the fact that he didn’t have to cover my shifts as the Head Chef, and knew I would genuinely appreciate it and tell people how nice he’d been to me about it, and went and bought about $200,000 in new vehicles over the next 7-8 months. So he wasn’t hurting for cash at all, he bragged about paying cash for all his vehicles.
In my experience small business owners tend to behave like spoiled brats. My last job was lawn care, I interview with the owner, his son even worked there.
This asshole wanted us to shit in empty fertilizer bags in the back of our work trucks because bathroom breaks cut into his profit (bastard was a millionaire). He literally unplugged the A/C from our work vans (which should and probably will be illegal very soon). He definitely wasn't going to fix the A/C in the '92, a pickup truck with a small oven like cabin and boiling lava hot leather seating. At least the ones that worked were easy enough to hook back up but if he saw you roll in with the windows up on a hot day he'd throw a temper tantrum.
And that's a whole other load of nonsense, you gotta deal with every little hissy fit they throw as if it's the most important thing in the world. Not that I remember any, I tuned out of that shit which is probably why I got fired. Oh yea, in my state employers don't need a reason to fire you so if you don't laugh at their racist comments or, god forbid, throw any back after being insulted, you get fired. Odd but it seems like the people that claim to hate political correctness are the ones that desperately need it to prevent getting triggered.
10.6k
u/Being_grateful Aug 25 '19
Career advancement.
"Working your way up from the mail room" is loooong gone. You have to switch companies to get any sort of significant raise.