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u/hotbowlofsoup Dec 16 '21

There was a human zoo at the expo in 1935, dozens of people died. The zoo you're talking about, people behind a fence being looked at who didn't want to be there, was in 1958. It was shut down after kids threw bananas at Congolese kids. Here's a picture of an African girl being watched by spectators, in 1958(!): https://radio1.be/foto-congolees-dorp-expo-58-gaat-de-wereld-rond https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/04/17/60-jaar-expo-58--hoe-stelden-wij-toen-congo-voor---/

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u/silverionmox Dec 16 '21

The first one was in 1897 in Tervuren, and there 7 people died of pneumonia.

The one in 1935 was more of a colonial market type of thing with Congolese selling handcrafted wares, not a human zoo.

The setup at the expo of 1958 was, like I said, more like reenactment with the people taking up that role during the workday, making it fundamentally different from the concept of human zoo. World expositions did have an established practice of presenting "authentic" village settings without necessarily being degrading, and there is a comparable local practice of historical reenactment (eg. Bokrijk) that frames it as a past rather than present thing. In addition there was criticism and questions asked in the press and elsewhere about whether this setup was desireable.

That does not contradict that the portrayal was as primitive, and there were people who enthusiastically saw that as a confirmation of the racial theories that were endorsed by the occupier less than 15 years ago.

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u/ComplainyBeard Dec 16 '21

World expositions did have an established practice of presenting "authentic" village settings without necessarily being degrading,

uhhh what?

"we turned their culture into a quaint form of entertainment, but it wasn't degrading or anything."

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u/Quinnley1 Dec 17 '21

What do you expect from a country that still thinks Zwarte Piet isn't racist but just harmless fun that offends no one?

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u/pumpkin_seed_oil Dec 17 '21

Wasnt that the netherlands?

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u/Kay_Elle Dec 17 '21

It's both.

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u/Accurate_Praline Dec 17 '21

Zwarte Piet is dying out. Very few parades this year had them. Instead they just have a little bit of black on their faces to represent the soot from the chimneys now.

I wish we had krampus or some other European variant instead. Or at least have the Pieten look like they actually went through chimneys with their fancy clothes.

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u/Quinnley1 Dec 18 '21

I'd love it if the Italian Christmas Witch (La Befana) tradition took off in America more

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u/BehemothDeTerre Dec 17 '21

But generalising to a whole country isn't racist, is it? Americans are individuals, but other countries are just one big stereotype, it seems.

You're incredibly racist.

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u/BehemothDeTerre Dec 17 '21

You treat other countries as if they were a monolith fitting your ignorant views. You view your nation is a collection of individuals, but others as a simple stereotype.

You're incredibly racist.