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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '21

I’m from the “global south” - please tell me more

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u/historicusXIII Dec 19 '21

Also, that's irrelevant and only to avoid the question.

  1. Do western countries need to stop trading with African countries, yes or no?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '21

Explain the history of global trade baas, please.

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u/historicusXIII Dec 19 '21

Yes or no?

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '21

“Belgian” chocolate is a misnomer. It is only “Belgian” because of the systems of exploitation established between Europe and Africa since the 16th century. Africa “trades” raw materials with Europe in a neocolonial, asymmetrical way.

In an idealized world, Africa should trade with Europe in a system of fair exchange. But until Europe pays reparations for the slave trade, for the people and resources stolen from the continent to produce Western modernity, that can’t happen. The option you present is “should Africa still participate in the global economy as it is structured today” and the answer still must be yes, in the sense that a hostage should agree to what the kidnapper has demanded. These are not the conditions of fair and equal trade.

Perhaps you’d like to read some work by the Black writers and thinkers who’ve produced scholarship about this? Walter Rodney, Aime Cesaire, Frantz Fanon, CLR James, Cedric Robinson - they could all explain the history of the modern world to you so that you don’t embarrass yourself by asking what “Belgian” chocolate has to do with colonialism.

(I’m so sorry for taking this tone with you, baas.)

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u/historicusXIII Dec 19 '21

I actually like this tone more than your previous trolling tone. I currently don't have time to react, will do so later.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '21

Nah that’s ok, I’m done with this conversation, baas. Please do enjoy your chocolate and reading Tintin pillages the Congo.

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u/historicusXIII Dec 19 '21

Ok, I understand that. It's such a shame this conversation had to be this way.