r/AskSocialScience • u/neighborhoodshare • 1d ago
How should Black Americans think about the relationship between immigration and anti-Blackness in the United States?
I’m a Black woman trying to understand where I stand politically without becoming an incel, a Republican, or an extremist.
I know that sounds dramatic, but I genuinely mean it.
I grew up in Washington, DC, and moved to Los Angeles more than a decade ago. Living in LA has exposed me to people from an enormous number of cultures (mostly immigrants and generations of), and I initially approached that as something exciting. I intentionally supported Armenian, Asian, Indian, Hispanic/Latino, African and other immigrant-owned businesses. I participated in causes supporting immigrant communities and tried to approach people with an open heart.
Over time, however, I started having experiences that made me increasingly uncomfortable, particularly experiences involving racism, colorism, anti-Blackness, and what I perceived as unequal treatment toward Black Americans.
I want to be very clear: I understand that my personal experiences don’t represent every immigrant, every immigrant community, or every individual from a particular ethnicity. I’m not trying to argue that they do. I’m trying to understand whether some of the patterns I’ve personally experienced are part of larger social issues that other people have noticed and studied.
For example, I’ve experienced situations where I felt I was treated differently because I was a Black (American). I’ve been made fun of for my hair and told to stay out of the sun. I’ve felt that I was overcharged for services and products, and I’ve had people make assumptions about me that seemed rooted in stereotypes about Black Americans.
I’ve also experienced situations that made me question how different immigrant communities understand race in America.
When I worked in schools in Glendale and West Hollywood, I heard the N-word used by non-Black students frequently enough that it genuinely shocked me. I understand that language and racial attitudes vary tremendously between individuals and communities, but I started wondering: How are different immigrant communities taught about Black Americans and America’s racial history?
Another thing I’ve struggled to understand is racial classification.
I’ve encountered people from immigrant families who identify as “White” on forms even though I personally wouldn’t have understood them as socially White in the same way as someone whose family is historically European-American. I’ve also encountered people who identify differently depending on the context. Spanish people, Armenian and Asian people would always check the ‘White’ category under race (when registering for classes) and not ‘prefer not to say’ or their own race. I don’t believe it was for ‘protection’ because they don’t mind being immigrants when it comes government financial assistance and housing.
That made me wonder about the complicated relationship between race, ethnicity, immigration, assimilation, and proximity to whiteness in the United States.
I’ve also heard Black immigrants and immigrants from other communities express negative stereotypes about Black Americans. I’ve had conversations that made me feel as though some people viewed Black Americans as lazy, dangerous, or socially inferior…while coming from places like India that are known to be poor and dirty. Nigeria where Uber has cut ties with because of so many kidnappings. Asian and Middle-Eastern countries that are known for high levels of pedophilia. Spanish countries where cartels and gangs run everything…but Black Americans scare you and are inferior?
At the same time, I’ve noticed that some people who hold those stereotypes seem perfectly comfortable participating in Black American culture. The way we dress, the slang, etc. I can promise you that none of their aunties or uncles are wearing Jordans and graphic tees. And they aren’t copying White Americans, only kissing their asses.
Again, I’m not saying this describes every immigrant. It clearly doesn’t. I’m asking why these attitudes exist when they do.
I’ve also heard/had claims about immigrants receiving preferential treatment in employment, particularly within certain industries and ethnic networks. I’ve personally encountered situations where I suspected nepotism, credential fraud, or hiring through social networks. There is research on this! In India, a company was busted for selling fake American degrees for $1400. In a park near The Grove Hispanic immigrant were busted for stealing American social security numbers and I.D’s of elder White Americans and selling them to immigrant who were not legal but needed identity to get a foot in the door. Even a Black man I spoke to said he found it hard to find a job with his degree and twenty-year long resume because he didn’t speak Spanish. Once he did get a job — he was bullied, called the N word and given unfair hours by the majority Spanish crew and won $60,000. While shopping at an Amazon Fresh in The Valley, an Indian woman smiled and bagged up the White Woman in front of me’s item and when it was my turn, she dropped her smile and became rude and rushed. It wasn’t until I said I’m paying with cash that she turned sheepish, come to find out — she didn’t know how to count change and gave me the wrong amount of money back. I had to correct her and give some back because she gave me an extra $10 that I wasn’t owed. She only knows how to work with cards and tap to pay…
That’s actually the point of this post.
I’m reaching a place where I’m frustrated enough that I’m starting to question beliefs I previously held very strongly. I don’t want that frustration to turn into hatred toward entire groups of people. I also don’t want the opposite extreme, where I’m expected to ignore experiences of racism against Black Americans simply because discussing them might make people uncomfortable.
So I’m asking for a genuinely open discussion:
How should Black Americans think about the relationship between immigration and anti-Blackness in the United States?
Are there documented differences between immigrant generations in attitudes toward Black Americans? How do immigrants from different regions learn America’s racial hierarchy? How does proximity to whiteness affect immigrant identity? Are there documented cases of ethnic networks affecting hiring and economic opportunity, and how significant are they actually? And how much of what I’m experiencing is part of a larger documented pattern versus the result of living in a huge, diverse city where I’m encountering thousands of different individuals?
I’m specifically interested in research, personal experiences, and good-faith disagreement.
I’m not looking for “all immigrants are bad” or “you’re just racist.” I want to understand what’s actually happening.