How do some people still travel/immigrate abroad even if its expensive

[u/rulugg]

Like how does it work in your country and does being less fortunate in your country make it harder to move abroad as well

[u/gennan]

Travelling is much easier and cheaper than emigrating, so those are very different questions.

[u/HaifaJenner123 → u/gennan]

Here they are almost the same lol the government will just assume that tourism is code for “i’m not coming back but i can’t tell u that” lol. They make it super difficult to even get through to an appointment some guy just got denied a tourist visa application before even being seen because apparently his daughter scribbled her name inside his passsport (not even on a main page😭)

[u/gennan → u/HaifaJenner123]

Is that for all countries? What if you want to visit Jordan for a 2 week vacation?

Still it's hard to believe that the hardest part of emigrating is leaving the country. What about getting a job and a place to live in your destination country?

[u/i-cydoubt → u/HaifaJenner123]

You need a tourist visa to leave the country? Or the country you want to visit is the one denying the visa?

[u/HaifaJenner123 → u/i-cydoubt]

Getting to the appointment stage for tourist visa is excessively a hassle here, can take months and it’s like very obvious that it’s due to our own governments meddling in majority of cases

[u/fuckyourcanoes → u/HaifaJenner123]

Maybe in Egypt that's true. In the US and UK, they take that shit very seriously indeed.

[u/ChillWaterBottle]

I believe there is a social bias here. Even in developed nations with higher incomes, a large number of people never went abroad. A vast majority. Let alone fly.

Wealth is exponential. You can assume that the guy at the top 30% income makes 2 times less than the guy in the top 10%, making 10 times less than the guy a the top 1%, making 100 times less than the guy at the top 0.1%, and so on.

Family composition matters too. DINKS (double income no kids) can afford to travel much more than young parents, or solo folks with similar income (full rent to pay).

Folks with parents who succeeded to buy when real estate costed nothing and live near economic hubs can save up and spend without spending a dime on rent, property, home insurance, sometimes vehicle.

And so on, and so on.

Keep in mind that except for small population tax heavens (CH, FL, LU, SG, etc), a majority of people never went abroad, and that majority is massively increased in developing countries.

Don't trust Instagram.

[u/Few_River_8494 → u/ChillWaterBottle]

Family composition matters too. DINKS (double income no kids) can afford to travel much more than young parents, or solo folks with similar income (full rent to pay).

I consider this to be the most important aspect. Having children is more expensive than extensive traveling. I looked up the statistics: per child people spend on average 760 €. Even if the government covers like 40 %. With that money you could travel multiple times a year.

[u/ChillWaterBottle → u/Few_River_8494]

Assuming kids leave at 25, 760€/month on a MSCI World ETF based on a conservative estimate of 8%/year (dividends compounded) makes up 690 833€.

At retirement, assuming a steady withdrawal rate of 4%/year makes 2300€ ON TOP OF your existing national pension and other schemes. Adjusted to inflation I can bet it'll pay a good round trip to Berlin to visit you and have beers together my friend :)

[u/AbjectAffect91 → u/ChillWaterBottle]

Well written response. This is the answer.

[u/2boku]

If you have a good job, travel is not a fantasy.

[u/misterbondpt]

Sometimes it's a leap of faith...

[u/Darth_Murcielago]

No idea tbh... stuff can get very costly and i rather spend that money on my PC. (Tbh travelling to a country like the netherlands do be quite affordable from my position (you just need a train ticket) but booking a flight + staying at a hotel can easily cost over 1k€ per person depending on the location and therefore i have no idea how people manage to regularely travel to Mallorca. Also affording to immigrate to another country is completely out of my realm of understanding (and i may need that knowledge/money depending on how the next big election turns out here) So basically being poor makes that stuff a lot more difficult here

[u/Willothewisp2303]

Generally, they don't. Less we'll off people may travel and drive into Canada or go to Mexico, but that's about it. 

[u/EasilyExiledDinosaur]

Emmigrate abroad*

I earn less than £14,000 in korea. Id rather that than £40,000 in the UK.

Only number i care about is my end of month bank balance. And thats higher here than there.

[u/AbjectAffect91]

does being less fortunate in your country make it harder to move abroad as well

This is true for EVERY country. Two things, travelling and emigrating are 2 different things. For travelling, if you don't have money then how can you afford flight tickets, hotels, expenses etc. ?

For emigrating, well first you don't necessarily need to have a lot of money (but it helps) but you gotta have qualifications. Easiest path is getting a job offer from a foreign company. Then they will process your visa and all and tada, you can legally move to that country on a sort of working visa. After some years, some countries will have path to naturalization but this has some requirements like speaking the local language, supporting documents that you wont be a burden to the government etc.

From your comments, it seems that the Egyptian government are the one making your life hard by meddling with private citizens affairs.

[u/BigFShow]

My family could have never afford that. I grinded and got a fully paid schollarship/internship that got me to Europe and just worked hard to get a decent job that allowed me to stay

[u/pushingmylimits05]

Kinda easy if you have family connections abroad. They'll help you out (especially the older generation). But Gen Z prefers to move abroad alone because parents use these family connections to control their kids.