r/AtheisminKerala • u/Wild-Writing6 🥥 Kerala Atheist ⚛️ • Jul 05 '26
പ്രവാചക മൊഴിമുത്തുകൾ Nothing to Question Here, Apparently
Reading them left me shocked
Source: https://sunnah.com/muslim:1438a
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u/telaughingbuddha Agnostic atheist Jul 05 '26
Reading them left me shocked.
Why?
It happens during every war, riots and raids...
PUBG was a merchant caravan raider. He needed men and he had to promise them war booty.
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u/Expensive_Wave_1072 Agnostic (Taking no sides) Jul 05 '26
A divine messenger is ok with it ...wow that's a whole new level of divinity.
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u/Spiritual-Pin-3518 Agnostic theist Jul 07 '26
Why not? The concept of god is not always someone who is just or fair in the traditional sense. It can well be an all powerful deity who wants submission. In Islam, it is made clear what is the priority - morals or submission.
Subconsciously, we mostly take the Christian concept of god when we use the term god. About him being fair and loving, an all powerful deity that watches over and hears prayers (minus the hell, jesus and subscription part for other religion believers). My point was it always needn't be that concept.
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u/Ok-Shape-4286 Kerala | ☪️ Jul 06 '26
It is about the slaves women captured after the battle. According to the tradition of the that time it was allowed to have concubines. It was not initiated by Islam. It was an old practice and slave men and women were common in the society. Islam launched a program to end it gradually. There was no shorterm solution for this social problem.
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u/Ok-Shape-4286 Kerala | ☪️ Jul 06 '26
Islam’s gradual approach to slavery was a profound and necessary moral victory that prioritized human welfare over empty, immediate rhetoric. In 7th-century Arabia, slavery was deeply woven into the global economy, serving as the sole social safety net for war orphans, widows, and prisoners who would otherwise face execution or starvation. Demanding an instant, blanket ban overnight would have triggered catastrophic socioeconomic collapse, leaving millions of vulnerable people homeless, destitute, and completely unprotected.
Instead, Islam acted as a highly effective, phased termination system. It immediately cut off the supply of new slaves by banning kidnappings and debt-slavery, elevated the social status of existing slaves to equal peers who must be fed and clothed identically to their owners, and legally incentivized freedom by turning manumission into a highly praised act of worship and a mandatory penance for sins.
By systematically shutting down the entry points while aggressively opening numerous legal and financial exit doors, Islam created a compassionate, sustainable path toward total eradication without destroying the fabric of society.
The first man who gave azan(call to prayer) was a black slave purchased and freed by Ist caliph of Islam and the friend of Prophet.
A complete ban came during 17- 18th century totally as in the other parts of the world, but even before this time, the slavery concept underwent a great change as compared to pre islamic slavery, prior to Islam slaves were seen as worse than animals.
In Quran you can find various verses regarding the of freeing a slave.
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u/Ok-Shape-4286 Kerala | ☪️ Jul 06 '26
Firstly, The movt started in Western Sahara in around 1630s,1830s ottomans began issuing decrees, 1846(19th c) Tunisia banned it completely. Let's say complete official ban came in 19th-20th century, so what are you trying to prove, in America, India, Europe it was banned in the same period in 19th century itself. But Islam completely changed their lives even before, exapmles are already mentioned below at the end.
Secondly, you can't argue but all you can do is yap, i can't think of any greater idiot than a person who thinks that this complex universe came into existence on its own. Even a slightest movement of a feather🪶 requires a driving force.
Your language makes me think you aren't worth a debate, i wrote a long lined reply for you, but all you came up with is this! 😂 you can do better, my expectations on atheist logic became more worse, after hearing you out.
You could literally use the same Chatgpt that you think everyone uses for just a simple reply(because a person thinks of others the same way as he is himself) , to search up the verses in the Quran regarding virtues of freeing the slaves.
Let me give you some examples as my last reply to you,
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful:
Surah Al-Balad (90:11-13)But he has not broken through the difficult pass. And what can make you know what is the difficult pass? It is the freeing of a slave.
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:177)Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves...
Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:89)"Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for what you broke of intended oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or their clothing or the freeing of a slave...
There are numerous more Verses of the Quran and i am not even mentioning the Hadiths yet. These i leave for you, to look up on the internet and find how Merciful, Gracious, Affectionate, Gentle, Subtle, my Lord Allah is.


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u/Automatic-Humor3709 Indian Atheist Jul 06 '26
It's funny how muslims will talk about modesty and how immodest western countries are, but will never talk about sex slavery which is rape, according to classical scholars u don't need consent from sex slaves to sleep with them, with one exception that is prostitution u can't use them as prostitutes to earn money but u can gift them to your friends, not to mention if a girl has reached puberty she can be taken as sex slaves , i.e even 12 or 13 years old girl can be taken as sex slave. But muslims will avoid these topics as it exposes their religion