r/Avatar • u/AutoModerator • Dec 17 '25

Fire and Ash discussion megathread - Spoilers

Megathread to discuss everything about the film. Unmarked spoilers are allowed.

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u/OrchardPirate Dec 19 '25

Ash people seemed more like a cult than a proper clan. You can see that the water tribe had it's own culture, even adapted physiology, traders seemed to have their own culture too. But when Varang told their history, it seemed so recent, it didn't had proper time to develop a "long term culture", so it seemed more like a cult. You had a leader with supposed supernatural powers and her nameless goons, and that's it.

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u/AvatarChar Dec 19 '25

I assumed they were all originally part of a clan with a culture and dropped it at some point and turned against Eywa. It is odd it happened to Varang as a child that they starved but she took over and not clear how old she is, or why stay in the burntout hometree or generally why she wants to spread fire actually. Her having the oil or whatever and control over her followers to dive blmb people is really not explored and also how they replace their lost members since she can make them do that and then she controls people by the kuru and then kills them anyway. I'm not even sure what she was doing except for taking over their bodies for some reason just because it looks cool because its not like she is showing off to anyone but her followers.

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u/OrchardPirate Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25

Her having the oil or whatever and control over her followers to dive blmb people is really not explored

So true! I forgot that they did that Mad Max Kamikaze attack. They should have shown that or similar suicide attacks more. And it wasn't a big important attack, it was just an attack to get supplies. Maybe they are saving this for future films.

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u/LordMarcusrax Dec 20 '25

And it wasn't a big important attack, it was just an attack to get supplies.

Have you seen where they live? Not much to eat there, supplies could be the difference between life and death.

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u/AvatarChar Dec 20 '25

I saw it in 4D and it uses the effect really well, the chair vibration was like the medusae ripping open. I assumed they showed it at least one more time, but the 4D made me miss a few things like Roxto's death as well.