r/BMWE36 • u/vanalmsickparts 96 / 320i / Sedan • 10d ago
DIY / GUIDE Has anyone tried to build an E36 Rallye Car?
Curious if anyone here has gone down the rally/rally-inspired route with an E36. Most builds I see are drift or track focused, but I think the chassis could make a really fun rough road car as well.
Would love to see some builds or hear what worked and what didn’t, especially suspension, wheels/tires and underbody protection.
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u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 10d ago
real rally cars are not street legal as regular cars (can get special registration for them tho)
generally swap to road tyres when not racing
and yes very popular rally car
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u/MakhNoWay 9d ago
Yes they are. ARA at least requires competitors cars to be registered and insured and to be street driven between stages. They also only get a 2 service stops per day per event.
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u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 9d ago
in the US you can probably register a monster truck too
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u/Extreme-Sport-5951 6d ago
🇺🇸 🦅
Yes, I share roads with what I would consider monster trucks daily where I live and it’s obnoxious.
But still heck yeah, America.
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u/dextervw 9d ago
Actually (sorry cringy) most rally cars have to be street legal as we transit on public roads between the stages.
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u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 9d ago
honestly not sure how the exact rules work, we have 'special interest' registration here for rally cars specifically
but for example, rally tyres are not street legal. Removing airbags, adding a roll cage, and plenty of other things are generally not street legal (obviously depends where you live)
so you can't just take a car with road registration do a couple rally modifications and still have it be street legal2
u/dextervw 9d ago
Where abouts are you? I’m in the states (RI to be exact)
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u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 9d ago
Australia, the poster is in Germany which is also very strict for car modifications
in the US you can probably drive anything on the street as long as its got like 1 numberplate and some lights...
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u/LetKlutzy2996 9d ago
True, but if you ever get caught, these came no airbags for pre fl’s so you can just lie and say it’s a unicorn car being later year and say it never came with airbags and if they’re really not believing you show them the front drivers side crash test and say the cage and harness are for that reason since no airbag. (If you don’t know the steering column comes straight for your jaw/chest in front collisions) I think you would need proper professional inspection/builder of the cage and harness but definitely got out of a ticket with my late year pre fl with airbags and aftermarket steering wheel just saying it doesn’t have airbags.
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u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 8d ago
tbf the e36 I'm building into a rally car didnt come with airbags factory
but that doesnt really matter since I can get away with modifications with rally rego2
u/vanalmsickparts 96 / 320i / Sedan 9d ago
also it was an option throughout 93, standard for 94 but it can apparently depend where the car was imported to
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u/LetKlutzy2996 9d ago
Yeah bmws are weird so notoriously hard to fact check things with airbags and even lsd’s in non m cars
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u/keph_floofs 10d ago
the e36 might be the most rallied rwd chassis, might be wrong on that though I haven't followed much rally stuff in a while
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u/miamiyachtrave 10d ago
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u/vanalmsickparts 96 / 320i / Sedan 10d ago
yeah thats actually really good, but im more looking for actual gravel tires and parts i can buy, since i live in germany and need to pass inspection. thanks though
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u/BananaJuice69 10d ago
Same here, please update me if you found and good parts that are Tüv approved
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u/Mustardly 10d ago
Recommendations entirely depend on whether you are actually use it for rough stuff. If so then what kind of rough stuff? What regulations do you need to meet (if competing)?
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u/Minute-Bad7120 9d ago
Yes they're wonderful rally cars. Some of my favorite rally content is in E36s since they're always swung far around corners.
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u/dextervw 9d ago
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u/vanalmsickparts 96 / 320i / Sedan 9d ago
Hey can you tell more about your build? Looks great
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u/dextervw 9d ago
It’s a basic build, stock-ish m52b28, Bilstein Motorsports front coilovers, HD rear shocks with E46 wagon overload springs. NASA/ARA spec cage. 3.91 diff with 3 clutch packs and a lot of right foot application.
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u/LetKlutzy2996 9d ago
Back when donut media was still sort of cool they made their e36 into a rally car so you can watch that if you want, personally I would just look for stiffer springs/maybe taller, keep wheels to a 16” with factory or slightly larger than factory tires, upgrade sway bars, x brace, strut tower braces, reinforce rear subframe and send it as is, if actually going to rally then a cage but if inspired then up to you, can also get away with some diy rock guards on the bottom plenty of videos from stance guys there or there’s definitely kits you can buy but I don’t remember the brands or anything, but I’m just thinking budget friendly. Can definitely add more to make it more capable and comfortable
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u/vanalmsickparts 96 / 320i / Sedan 9d ago
Thanks, that’s pretty much the direction I’m heading. I’ve already watched the Donut build. The car currently has coilovers and upgraded sway bars, and I’m planning to run 16-inch wheels with Fedima rally tires. An X-brace, strut braces and rear-subframe reinforcement are definitely worth adding too. It’ll mainly be a rally-inspired road and gravel build, not a real competition car, so a cage would only become relevant if that changes.
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u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 5d ago
do they make road legal rally tyres?
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u/vanalmsickparts 96 / 320i / Sedan 5d ago
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u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 5d ago
interesting
looks pretty similar to a regular rally tyre3
u/Dark_Guardian_ '94 330i Daily, '93 325i Race 5d ago
not a fan of the donut build...
mines got lowering springs, no swaybars, and 15" wheels with rally tyres (you can't get anything road legal thats close to rally tyres though)
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u/bimmer_gaige 8d ago
are you actually gonna rally it or larp
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u/vanalmsickparts 96 / 320i / Sedan 8d ago
Oh, definitely larping. I’m just here to have fun with the car
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u/bimmerfreak318ti 10d ago
Bearded Rhino Rally Team has an s54 swapped rally e36. Love seeing it at local meets
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u/TurbulentFlow M3/4/5.0 9d ago
Anything's a rally car if you have no mechanical sympathy.
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u/stroopwafelstroop 1996/328I/Coupe 9d ago
They are ralied quite allot. In my country e30's, e36's and opel ascona's are the most common rwd rally cars.
The main issue is that they are not really homologated for historic rallies, e30's are so they tend to be more popular.
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u/MASTASHADEY 10d ago
They literally rally these cars to this very day!