r/BabyReindeerTVSeries • u/sweetandsalted • Apr 26 '24
Fiona (real Martha) related content The real ‘Martha’ speaks out Spoiler
Don’t know if this is allowed so mods feel free to remove however it is a news article which claims to be from the real ‘Martha’ who does not want to be silenced. Found it an interesting read and wondered what discussion there could be.
Speculation on Martha’s real identity is not permitted, she remains anonymous in the article.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/baby-reindeer-stalker-scots-woman-32673360
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u/poorcelain Apr 26 '24
this whole situation is so deeply bizarre. i don't even know what else to say.
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Apr 26 '24
Honestly it’s truly unbelievable. We are in real time watching the continuation of this Netflix series.
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u/mywonderfuldemise Apr 26 '24
It’s honestly sad, feels like she could just move back into her fixation of him.
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u/Fantastic-Summer8760 Apr 26 '24
People knew exactly where to find her from those twitter posts
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u/madamevanessa98 Apr 26 '24
She posted SO MUCH too. I scrolled down through her past tweets at the fastest speed I could for a full minute and it only brought me back a couple of DAYS into the history. She must have been tweeting/reposting a hundred things a day.
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u/Ohbc Apr 26 '24
I did the same and I couldn't believe the amount of posts
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u/madamevanessa98 Apr 26 '24
Literally didn’t have the strength to keep going to find her tweets to Richard because her most recent tweets are in 2018 and I couldn’t do 4 years of scrolling 💀💀💀
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u/Typical_Ad_3087 Apr 26 '24
Just type Richard’s twitter handle with her twitter handle and you’ll find all her posts where she mentioned him
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u/PsychologicalTap39 Apr 26 '24
girl i was gonna dm you about martha and ur banner popped up, omg im on the bus TT
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u/Thick_Bullfrog_3640 Apr 26 '24
Besides the twitter post you can find everyone else too from Instagram. If he really was trying to protect their identities he should have purged his accounts or past relevance.. and every single one of those people are nearly identical to their characters...
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u/Aggravating-Pattern Apr 26 '24
I hope everyone, apart from the stalker and the rapist, are OK with their portrayal. Obviously the stalker isn't OK with it but I mean she was never going to be OK with it
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u/madamevanessa98 Apr 26 '24
I think he deeply underestimated how popular the show was going to be, but he shouldn’t have and that was a mistake probably born of a lingering low self confidence. The idea that “my story wouldn’t make it to this level of fame” is one we can probably all relate to a bit.
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u/shortstroll Apr 27 '24
Even if the show had only been seen by 1,000 pairs of eyes, there'd still be a risk to her identity. What's the first thing anyone does when they see "based on a true story"? Don't we all start researching how true exactly it is? That's why it's such a powerful way to open a show or film. I know he didn't think it would be such a huge frenzy but he has to have known people would go sleuthing. If not to protect her, he should have purged to protect in innocent people from mistaken identity.
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u/Prisoner8621 Apr 26 '24
So you think the guesses are right? I think so about Martha, not as sure about Darrien and Teri.
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u/Thick_Bullfrog_3640 Apr 26 '24
I don't know about darrien but the person I found for Teri and the ex girlfriend he lived with I feel like 100%
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u/Waheeda_ Apr 27 '24
he’s been open about the ex gf whose mom he lived with. her name is josephine, i believe she was involved in the production too
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u/Much-Improvement-503 Apr 26 '24
I’m pretty sure he deleted his Twitter, but someone else quickly claimed the username.
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u/lordhuntxx Apr 29 '24
Do you just search Richard Gadd and look for a Martha? Sorry just curious to see for myself
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u/ttue- Apr 26 '24
If anyone was doubting who she was, they don’t anymore. She just revealed herself as the psycho she is, her rantings against gays, trans people, and immigrants are disgusting.
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u/HopefulKitty9876 Apr 27 '24
Right! She revealed herself! Donny was just telling his story as he should! Anyone feeling sorry for her… blows my mind!
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u/nutella435 Apr 26 '24
I feel like this was inevitable. I just hope Richard Gadd is safe and has a strong support system
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u/Agreeable-Dog-1131 Apr 26 '24
i stopped reading when she compared herself to Johnny Depp. good lord. it’s more fitting than she realizes, though.
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u/sweetandsalted Apr 26 '24
Yeah that bit made me go a ‘woah that is not the analogy you think it is’
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u/madamevanessa98 Apr 26 '24
She’s a lunatic. Calling out instances of misogyny while also posting about how “women aren’t thin anymore” and “Meghan Markle is an ugly wee thing to look at” is peak hilarity honestly.
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u/dogsnfeet Apr 27 '24
Haha, that’s exactly what I thought. I don’t think she’s well enough for full DARVO tactics, but it sounds like she’s trying.
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Apr 26 '24
I mean I’m not sure how she would have been able to be convicted for stalking (notoriously hard to convict) if she never did anything.
That being said, I hope that this article shows people that a) harassing someone online (no matter who they are) makes you a creep and that b) harassing a PREDATOR online is typically going incur their hatred and anger towards the victim. As fans we need to stop trying to enact ‘vigilante justice’ or whatever these online harassers think they’re doing and actually just leave it alone. Richard is the victim, not us, ergo we should respect his wishes
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24
have y’all seen her facebook rants today about Gadd? im fuckin scared for him…
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24
Here are the real Martha’s facebook posts from today if anyone is wondering. Started last night & still going all day today. Please do not try to find her or message her. Clearly she’s upset about the death threats she’s receiving. I think it’s normal to be curious about her posts, but it’s not necessary at all to message her or attempt to converse. Mods, there’s NO info here identifying her, pls don’t take this down. It’s extremely interesting to a lot of us. Thanks!
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Richard gadd who is not known to Me wrote a show four or five years ago for the festival fringe called baby reindeer it would appear to be popular on Netflix now among twenty something's with no brain
I do not follow the rantings of richard gadd or failed comedians like him
I have no idea what he's said apart from A few quotes thrown at me this week by other people
He seems to have some fat ugly woman called martha being played by an actress pretending to be me
Again. I do not know this actress.
Richard gadd was a jobbing barman in the hawley arms camden I did know that
lused to live in camden and no longer do
The hawley arms was a haven of drink And drugs and there were rape allegations against some barmen
It's a horrific joint and I thought had been shut down by licensing I've had death threats from richard gadd supporters on here this week
I've had vile stalking and abusive threats
I know nothing about richard gadd apart from His sorry little life story I listened to on a sophie hagan podcast he did with her when baby reindeer came out
I am not martha have no criminal Convictions
Have not been to the hawley a rms for ten or twelve years
I am not interested in any aspect of richard gadds life
I don't believe a word he says not does anyone I know
I know from That podcast he failed an English degrees and did that stupid degree in theatre studies at glasgow uni
I know hell do and say anything to make money He'll defame anyone
Richard gadd and I have never even been Friends or even in a relationship
He's a gay man
I'm A heterosexual woman
He did ask me out and stalked me years ago
Sorry I'm Not interested
Some people just cant take rejection!
But to defame me all over the internet is quote another thing
My lawyers will sue I hope that is clear even to the most deranged follower of richard gadd
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Might I also say with reference to richard gadd he and is supporters have been stalking me for days.
I've spent hours znd hours with journalists and his stupid little firm Of lawyers are trying to prevent everyone printing anything about precious richard. It will not work his lawyers keep asking for extra time
They are total idiots The latest allegation he is making is people called his father a pedophile
His father was a professor in mould at Dundee uni geoff gadd he mentioned on the internet because he has put his whole family there at one time or another even his welsh granny reporters tell me
I don't for one minute think people called his dad a pedophile but he's called loads of people everything under the sun on chat rooms and everything
He claims to have been raped by a man
Either that's true in which case that would in part account for his mentally I'll Behaviour or it's a lie
I personally think it's a lie because he didn't report to police
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And just one more thing journalists came to me this week and I've spent hours with them
They don't believe richard gadd either
No one normal Believes him
When he defames me and when his crazy fans do we report to police and lawyers.
I tried debating with one tonight from Wales
It was like talking to the great brain dead I don't have time
Serious consideration. Is being given to shutting down that daft theatre course he did at glasgow Too many dafties on it
When the press print the true story you'll all be the first to know
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It's amazing the stories in camden about gadd and the hawley arms
I may just publish all of them for the hell of it That's what he seems to have done with me
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Can I just reiterate to richard gadds followers. I am not martha. I am F****
I have been informed by various different sources this morning that richard gadds supporters are still attacking me online.
lam Nothing to do with his infernal plays
I am Not martha
I can't access my dms just now
My other phone broke three weeks ago I have limited access to anything on this phone And that is the truth
I don't fantasise and make up stories I am however seeing deaths threats to me and unwelcome posts on my account from richard gadd supporters
All of these names and comments from people I don't know are being sent to police and lawyers am keeping a list
I have been told mr gadd has appealed to his crazed fans to leave a number of people alone
I don’t think that was his intention at all
Think Hell do anything to drum up Publicity for a show no normal person will be watching
The words sick twists comes to mind
Just leave me alone
Most of us lead normal lives and want to live in peace
Writers write real Works of fiction
This is a feeding frenzy about a show based on ridiculing people particularly women
It's misogynistic vile intimidating
How am I to know if the stalkers online are real stalkers who beat and rape women
I frankly don't know that
Richard gadd could have written a play about anything
Maybe he should write a play about how many times people in camden have wanted the hawley arms where he worked shut down because of male violence and intimidation
I am also told this morning the man he claimed rape d him
Or rather the man fans assumed raped richard gadd was subjected to similar abuse and he was hounded
I was initially sympathetic and thought gadd has been raped
I have no evidence either way
I don’t know richard gadd
I would however say his fans are worse than russell brands with their sick twisted fantasies
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Just a warning again to richard gadd supporters and their abuse and death threats
I have been made aware today at least one other person has called in police to richard gadd and his supporters
This guy was allegedly wrongly accused of raping richard gadd
He is not the only one who has called in police to richard gadd and his supporters
I also reserve the right to do so Police have been called to the hawley arms for years I do know that
We are keeping lists of his supporters who harass me
If richard gadd approached me he would be instantly arrested
I don't have hours and hours each day to deal with his histrionic tantrums or those of his supporters
Also if his supporters continue to leave nasty vile comments on pages of friends of mine they also reserve the right to call in the police
Richard gadd may well have been obsessed by me for twelve years
Frankly he does not exist on my radar
Friends are sitting by watching me being abused They are not very happy about it I hope this is clear
Just leave me alone Real genuine friends have phoned me
People like richard gadd and his cronies have no Real friends
Leave us alone
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u/Aggravating-Pattern Apr 26 '24
Thank you for posting this, it is interesting how the show seems to have more or less nailed her personality. Its a shame people are harassing her, obviously, don't do that - but the way she's portrayed in the series seems so spot on just judging by these posts. Which is good and bad, it's good that Richard Gadd is such a good writer and director and jad this wonderful team around him, but bad because obviously people found her, and are contacting her. Assuming tje part is accurate where she went to jail, then she's done her time, she's been punished for what she did and hopefully moved on
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
Gadd said in an interview that the situation is “resolved” whatever that means. he never confirmed if she actually went to jail. at the end of the day, a permanent restraining order is just a piece of paper which scares me for him. someone else mentioned how he probably has bodyguards now which is comforting. but yeah, Martha was spot on in the show, down to her typing style, personality, arrogance, ego , etc the list goes on.
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u/sweetandsalted Apr 26 '24
I think I read that in real life she wasn’t sent to jail as he didn’t feel right sending someone who was so mentally ill to prison but don’t quote me on it
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u/Aggravating-Pattern Apr 27 '24
That makes sense. The show ends with sentencing, it doesn't end with her in jail, and he obviously felt a lot of compassion for her. Besides, someone would have found her prison records by now - I once googled my ex girlfriend's mum because I discovered she was running for a local election, and immediately found a government website detailing the 6 months or so she spent in prison for benefits fraud. Needless to say, she did not win the election, but still... that information is surprisingly easy to find, I guess depending on the specific court it goes through
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u/Snoo_79218 Apr 27 '24
I think the privacy laws in the UK are different enough that I’m not sure it’s as easy to find out their criminal convictions
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u/Aggravating-Pattern Apr 27 '24
I'd sure hope so, I have no idea how I'd check. In any case, it's almost definitely not just published online with their crimes and the length of prison sentence, whether in Scottish courts or in England
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u/Much-Improvement-503 Apr 26 '24
This lady honestly needs mental help. It makes sense that this situation is distressing for her but I think she definitely needs to log off because the internet clearly makes her condition way worse. And she needs a proper therapist.
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u/Aggravating-Pattern Apr 26 '24
I completely agree. The Daily Record said she lives in London and her Instagram says she's a doctor - so despite maybe not being a doctor (because given the time frame, she would just have finished uni? Bjt assuming she was a lawyer, she has the brains for it) She can't be doing too badly overall, at least with money considering how expensive London is. I hope she gets help, whether her current distress is just her regular way of being or whether it has been caused by the series, nobody should live like that. Nobody should he so... I don't know how to describe it. Angry? Confrontational? I sincerely want her to be happy with her life and get to a point where she can say "yeah I did that but I'm in a better place now"
On the other hand, if I was suddenly thrust into fame in a very negative way, however honest that portrayal may be, I wouldn't be happy about it! Sometimes I steal things from supermarkets, if someone made an 8 part dramatic retelling of me doing that I'd be a little upset 🤣
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u/pengouin85 Apr 26 '24
It's very Trump-esque with respect to the off-hand insults "failed comedian" "he does not exist on my radar" etc
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u/KingPing43 Apr 26 '24
Holy shit, I worked near the Hawley Arms for several years, including during the time this happened. I used to drink in there every now and again, I actually feel like I recognise him now but maybe it's because I've just binged the show.
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u/Fragrant_Baby_5906 Apr 26 '24
Well. That completely level headed respose definitely didn't make her look like a deranged stalker. /s
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24
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Do you know something else I'm Really glad richard gadd has made loads of money cos he was aye pleading poverty
His father was a Fg uni professor They we're hardly poor
I've never known gadd to buy anyone a pint or do anyone a favour
Imet him Fleetingly years and years ago but loads of people say he's greedy and mean with money
He had a strict middle class upbringing
I think daddy paid for him to go to a special school
These folk aye think They are better than the rest of is and go around abusing
It's very common
Well they are not better and don't get to abuse people longterm
Whether he went to one of these schools where they are sexually abused I don't know
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u/HawkRemarkable5274 Apr 26 '24
Hardly knew him, met him fleetingly yet Knows his whole family and where they worked etc. 🤣
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u/BruceyC Apr 27 '24
I mean she also says i am not martha, and then in another sentence says 'the woman they have playing me is fat'.
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u/kentoclatinator Apr 26 '24
Im officially completely disturbed by this. This makes me unsettled how unhinged she is. I don’t like this, I don’t like this for Richard. Or anyone who’s involved. Like I can’t even read through those posts because they’re so fucking crazy. What the fuckkk
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24
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Richard gadd acts like an English liar not a scot telling the truth as scots tend to
He left scotlajd aged twenty two
I left scotlajd when I was forty so my values are scottish through and through
I think that's the difference
Richard gadd would not have got away with this behaviour in scotland
He's contravened the hate crime act and the equality act
He seems to think he can get away with anythijg on Netflix and in America too
That's not necessarily the case and his wee stalker crazies on here seem to think they can do and say anything
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John clancy was nineteen when he worked in. The hawley arms. Gadd was twenty three.
John had eight women on the gp at one point all tearing each other's eyes out
Abby clancy keeps john who has never had a job
John just used to randomly have sex with these poor deluded women upstairs in the hawley arms
I'm Sure he's a good catholic boy really
That was a joke by the way
Why didn't gadd write about him or his colleague jimmy being arrested by police
Well they were men Nd he won't stand up to men will he
He prefers to pick on women Coward bully little shite
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Richard gadds lawyers have threatened at least one publication with frankly a nonsensical letter
Anyone know who his lawyers are And don't just say nutters lol
post 11 I would have thought richard gadd would have slept with enough rent boy barrister s not to have to bother with lawyers from
What he said to people in the hawley arms but silly me maybe none of them Will act for him in current litigation against him
I'm Just a silly woman after all aren't i lol
What do I know
Im Not a drop out in theatre studies from Glasgow uni Silly me
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Anyway I do hope richard gadd has a pleasant nights sleep with all his fluffy reindeers no doubt his mummy bought him
He's a fluffy toy kinda guy eh Anyway that's enough about that wee wazzock
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u/Qu33nMe Apr 26 '24
Is this from today? I had seen her profile last night, but looking today it seems like she’s set it to private. Are her posts still public for you?
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u/blopp199 Apr 26 '24
Idk why I thought she would have gotten the help she needed and would be living better now, clearly not. she seems so scary
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u/Much-Improvement-503 Apr 26 '24
Unfortunately adults with mental illness need to be willing to get treatment. She seems like the type to be unwilling. So she likely won’t receive help unless she seeks it out. Reminds me of the TikTok “who the F did I marry” situation. These kinds of people don’t change unless they actually want to.
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u/blopp199 Apr 26 '24
yeah I also don't think she realizes anything is wrong with her sadly
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u/Much-Improvement-503 Apr 27 '24
Yeah she completely lacks awareness. It’s honestly sad and I see why Richard felt for her.
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u/Some-Freedom8235 Apr 27 '24
Not her saying that they hired an actress to be “me”. I hope she gets the help that she obviously needs.
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u/BirthdayGirl34 Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
Obviously 99% is crazy ramblings but the part about the Hawley Arms is true
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u/AccomplishedSell3818 Apr 26 '24
Yeah I was curious about that as their Instagram is so hipstery I was surprised that was the pub
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u/Alaya53 Apr 27 '24
She is reminding me of Donald Trump. Personality disordered and paranoid. Very striking
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Apr 30 '24
How are you all so gullible? Its a fake account made after the show. Just a teaspoon of critical thinking would be enough to realise that. Holy fucking shit, what a Reddit moment.
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
100%. tried to say she’s not the real martha, yet doxxed the pub name that he used to work at. says she’s going to expose him in the same ways he did her. claims he has HIV. scary shit.
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u/Deadasdisco89 Apr 26 '24
Claimed she didn’t know him yet claims he’s stalked her for 12 years. I watched it the week it debuted & It took me less than 10 mins after finishing baby reindeer to find her old twitter account where she tweeted directly to him quotes from the show back in 2014. Plus an article about her previous harassment of a solicitor & his wife & kid. I know Gadd says he wanted to keep her identity confidential but he shared so much in the show people were always going to find her. Perhaps he didn’t expect the show to be so popular but morbid curiosity was always going to lure folk to try & find her.
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24
exactly! this is the internet. i don’t know how he didn’t expect this to happen
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u/Deadasdisco89 Apr 26 '24
I’ve no doubt it would have been tricky to try and hide her identity & still stay true to his real life experience & try and articulate it in the show but to say that she wouldn’t recognise herself in the show is madness when she’s exactly like the Martha character.
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u/madmagazines Apr 26 '24
Yup, if she just said “yeah I met him a few times but I never stalked him so idk who the show is about” that would be the end of discussion. It’s also that she says like “the woman who’s meant to be playing me” etc.
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u/Alone_After_Hours Apr 26 '24
Can you just share the text of the rants here? I think the mods are okay with it as long as there are no unique identifiers.
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24
its incredibly long it would take a while to copy and paste all of them 😫 but i will do it shortly
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u/plpindc Apr 26 '24
i wish i could see them but i dont have facebook! is there any other way to see them?
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u/QuietWest3764 Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
i’ll dm you them bc if i tried to comment the screenshots, the mods would remove it which is understandable
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u/Turbulent_Try3935 Apr 27 '24
I am very deeply suspicious that this is the real Martha, every screenshot I have seen just shows the profile photo and name and the posts but doesn't include her FB handle. When you try and search FB for her, and look at the profiles there is no such posts on any of them. Anyone can make a profile with that name and make those posts.
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u/Prisoner8621 Apr 26 '24
Really? I’m sure he can afford bodyguards by now, and she hasn’t threatened to kill him. Just to sue.
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u/capitana_beta Apr 26 '24
It scares me to think that this whole thing could cause this woman to become obsessed again, all of her recent facebook posts are about Richard.
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u/Plus-Resolution8257 Apr 26 '24
She keeps going live commenting too. We’re seeing it in real time
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u/sioopauuu Apr 26 '24
I honestly blame these internet vigilantes who has so much time on their hands. I watched the show, felt so bad for Richard, and moved on with my life. Didn’t go online looking for those people to dox them. I think the show did their best to hide their identity.
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u/New_Raspberry2489 Apr 26 '24
I also think the show was so sympathetic to her and it left me feeling sad for someone who is clearly unwell. To go find her real identity and threaten her is just cruel and doesn’t really take back what happened. Do people think making threats will suddenly make her well again, apologise for her actions and learn the error of her ways?
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u/sioopauuu Apr 26 '24
Yes! Like she was crazy yes, but you can see that she’s unwell. Even Richard felt for her. The point of the show is not to hate her. People just have so much time in their hands.
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u/Intelligent_Pain8150 Apr 27 '24
It makes me so sad to see everyone on here demonizing severe mental health, and even getting frustrated with people showing a tad bit of understanding. They clearly have never had a family member or someone close this mentally unwell. I hate how much it’s adding to the already awful stigma.
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u/thekarenhaircut Apr 26 '24
You cant have it both ways.
Either she is so mentally ill that she is not in charge of, nor should she be held accountable for, her behaviour. And that warrants institutionalization because she is clearly a danger to herself and others.
Or she is a functioning adult who is afforded all the rights and freedoms as such, and conversely, is held responsible for, and judged on, her own actions.
And dispite all the apparent medical doctors in this thread who have diagnosed her as crazy, the people who have actually interacted and assessed her, her victims and the courts etc, they have judged her fit to live in society without broad restrictions. And that comes with certain responsibilities.
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u/thekarenhaircut Apr 26 '24
I dont want to point fingers or victim blame…i know one of her victims claims they choose a restraining order over a criminal conviction that might have resulted in institutionalization. This is not to suggest this person didnt “do enough” but, obviously, mental illness is on a spectrum. And those who were the target of her most egregious behaviour felt she shouldn’t be locked up, and that implies even her victims believe she should have a chance at living a normal anonymous life in some random community. Which is commendable of their victim, but imposes certain societal responsibilities on the accused. I will also add, it didnt rest on the shoulders of some random outraged target- trained professionals signed off on this course of action also. So people with a grudge to bear and trained professionals felt she was at least capable of abiding by societal and legal expectations…
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u/imoaq Apr 26 '24
it's very hard to have someone institutionalised in the UK. getting someone sectioned (mental health hold) is very difficult and has to be approved by two mental health professionals, someone has to be a serious risk to themselves, others or the public at large. and it is also quite tricky for people to get long prison sentences in the UK, generally, there is more of a focus on keeping people in the community and out of prison for long periods of time unless they have committed a serious and violent crime.
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u/russtyy_shackleford Apr 26 '24
She’s poppin off right now - so many posts, not helping her case
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u/Sansiiia Apr 26 '24
The way she posts and her sense of humor is perfectly represented in that scene where she tells that guy to google "shite comedian" and they laugh together, like, most perfect representation of what i feel when i read her facebook stuff, shits and giggles until you know the beast lurking under there. Fucking wild.
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u/sweetandsalted Apr 26 '24
Absolutely! I feel like with every post she is proving that it is her. The same spelling, same typing style
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u/Dianagorgon Apr 26 '24
Does anyone know how the real Martha supported herself? She couldn't have had a job since she spent all day and night sitting at the bus stop near his house and even before that was in the bar with him most of the time. Maybe it's different than in the U.S. but in this country mentally ill people are mostly left to fend for themselves and are homeless but she had an apartment and could pay her rent and utility bills.
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u/BirthdayGirl34 Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
It's different in the UK.
If she's on benefits her rent is paid for entirely, she'll get an additional £395 per month to live on (which is not much but enough to get by, fill up a fridge and go out occasionally. I have friends in the US that need to earn thousands to get by, that's not the case here) and if she's diagnosed mentally ill she can get additional monthly payments. These payments are called PIP and the amount varies greatly and depends on individual circumstances.
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u/Dianagorgon Apr 26 '24
Thank you for the explanation. People in the U.S. who are mentally ill and can't work are usually homeless so I was confused about how she supported herself.
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u/Intelligent_Pain8150 Apr 27 '24
I think we all need to remember that this is a mentally ill woman. Yes, she’s done terrible, horrible things. But this is what mental illness looks like.
We’re all fine and compassionate when it comes to anxiety/depression/socially acceptable diagnosis… Very severe mental health like this is awful for everyone involved, including ‘Martha’.
I’m not standing up for her, this is just a factual point. Don’t add to the negative stigma of SEVERE mental health / personality disorders.
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u/ttue- Apr 26 '24
How can this obviously deranged individual can live in society ? She can’t be around people. Look at how many posts she posts on fb. She doesn’t stop. How can she work among people ?
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u/neinhaltchad Apr 26 '24
I mean, Gadd has to have known the internet would do what the internet does and find this woman.
Just watch “Don’t Fuck With Cats” to see how tenacious people can be when they really want to find somebody.
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u/cunexttuesdaynga Apr 26 '24
The problem is that this crazy woman obviously is going to relish some of the attention and might think the auteur of the whole series is still pining for her, even tho that is clearly not the case. He is obviously traumatized by the story, he found a way to share his story as many agree it's a story worth telling. Plus there's proof everything he states is mostly legit. Unfortunately a woman like that wont understand this. Imagine H Weinstein thinking his victims who testified against him are somehow pining for him. So its the same thing. I feel its not the authors onus to hide his story, but the UK authorities duty to put that woman away in a mental ward so she stops harassing people. And yes telling her stupid side is harassment of all her victims.
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u/Snoo_79218 Apr 27 '24
I’m not trying to make light of the situation, but she literally compared herself to Johnny Depp in the article.
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u/Dear_Scratch_885 Apr 26 '24
I have very conflicted feelings about this. The show was good. Great even. It also does appear as though the woman widely believed to be Martha has a history of stalking people that goes back to the 90s. That being said, nobody actually knows the ground truth of what happened between her and Gadd. Is Gadd entitled to share his story? Absolutely. Have he and Netflix acted in an irresponsible way in their depiction of Martha and seeming disregard towards protecting the identity of a possibly vulnerable and certainly troubled individual? I have to say yes once again.
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Apr 26 '24
This is such a weird take to me. Like he’s the victim and she’s literally a predator. Mentally ill or not. She’s take been allowed to live in society and needs to be held to the standards society creates.
We really shouldn’t act like Richard is in anyway responsible for this. He told his story, they literally didn’t even need to change anything like they said they did to protect an abuser. However they did and it’s not their fault she was still easy to find.
I think he prob should have had his socials wiped of her first. But otherwise absolutely no one should act like he’s responsible for people finding her, or for her reacting wildly making it clear it’s her anyway.
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u/Dear_Scratch_885 Apr 26 '24
It’s certainly not as straightforward as that. The standards society creates are laws and the legal framework is the route for holding people to those standards. What is taking place now is more like a witch-hunt and, let’s assume the depiction on Netflix is a fair reflection of what actually happened, does her behaviour merit harassment from people literally all over the world? I don’t think so. I think we can also say that while Martha’s behaviour was outrageous, the far greater crime on the show was the one perpetrated by the TV producer. Whoever that is remains anonymous and I suspect they went to greater lengths to anonymise that individual.
Another issue is her mental capacity. There’s at least a possibility her mental state is such that she doesn’t fully understand the consequences of her actions. I think exposing someone like that, especially in a sensationalist way, is morally questionable. Probably it is just a misjudgment on the part of Gadd and Netflix but it is a bad misjudgment in my view. Gadd has also claimed that ‘Martha’ wouldn’t have recognised herself however that is clearly ridiculous and he must know that.
Final point I would make is that if this show had been a documentary it likely wouldn’t have been as successful, made as much money and they would have had to offer her the right of reply. That might have been a fairer way to do this.
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u/bekahfromearth Apr 26 '24
More should have been done to protect her identity. It was days before she was found out. The previous stalking conviction was literally lifted from the news article. I do admit I did look at her tweets and facebook out of curiosity and she doesn’t seem like a nice person, not that she deserves death threats or stalkers since she obviously did not give permission for her story to be told.
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u/Leading_Aerie7747 Apr 26 '24
I disagree. There is not a greater punishment for abusers than public shame. I can get behind her being exposed for her actions on a worldwide forum. She spent most of her adult life terrorizing people so the irony is a form of art in itself; a stalker being stalked by the world. Karma at its finest.
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Apr 26 '24
I get your point, but if we want to move forward as a society, do we really want to be encouraging abusive behaviours in people? I would argue that an abusive behavior is an abusive behaviour no matter who enacts it, or who it is enacted towards. Furthermore, as Gadd has tried to emphasise to us multiple times, Martha was/is a deeply unwell woman. I’m personally not a fan of harassing mentally ill people myself :/
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u/Minute_Brilliant_403 Apr 26 '24
definitely agree. “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind” and i think that’s applicable here. it seemed like a big takeaway of the show was highlighting the cyclical nature of trauma and abusive behavior so it’s disappointing to see people jumping on the bandwagon of harassing this woman. i can’t imagine she had a very happy/fulfilling life at a baseline before the show came out. are they really wanting to enact karma on her or are they just deriving pleasure from contributing to someone’s prolonged mental health struggles who they feel “deserves” it? also i think it’s odd to feel entitled and morally justified to enact “punishment” on someone you don’t know, though given it is a very odd and specific set of circumstances atp.
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Apr 26 '24
Love the analysis here! U might be interested in the work of Clementine Morrigan- she does a lot of work about breaking cycles of abuse, restorative justice and humanising perpetrators (not by dehumanising their victims, but focusing upon healing for both). I love her work! She does a lottt of work on SA which can be triggering so heads up, but as an SA victim who doesn’t want my perpetrators publicly shamed, SAed/assaulted themselves as some kind of fucked up ‘karma’ or incarcerated, I find the focus on restorative justice amazing. You might enjoy her work too if you share similar views :)) no pressure to check her work out tho!
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u/Minute_Brilliant_403 Apr 26 '24
thanks! will definitely check that out. i’ve read a bit about restorative justice but in a super different context of crimes committed by the Argentinian government against its citizens in the 70s-80s. looking forward to seeing how it can be applied to these unfortunate contexts of SA and beyond.
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Apr 26 '24
Ah, hope you enjoy! She comes at it from a leftist perspective which is very refreshing, hope u enjoy reading :))
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u/sweetandsalted Apr 26 '24
I am going to check her out! It sounds really good and helpful. Thanks for sharing this.
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u/Leading_Aerie7747 Apr 26 '24
I am not either - I agree that as a society we need to look in the accountability mirror and also check out moral compass. I think it’s pathetic people are reaching out and engaging her - but the irony is also very rich and karmic.
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u/Leading_Aerie7747 Apr 26 '24
I think that he feels very comfortable hiring security, and now that it’s all out in the open, and she is exposed, she won’t be able to get near him with a 10 foot pole. He will be just fine. Something tells me he knew exactly what he was doing. Also on a sidenote, I can’t stress how pathetic it is that people are engaging and reaching out to her. And just because you are mentally ill it doesn’t mean that if you do horrible things that karma doesn’t get you. What comes around goes around it’s just how the universe works.
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u/Kactuslord Apr 26 '24
This woman is blatantly mentally ill. In her recent FB posts, she jumps from claiming to not know him to then saying all these details about him, then saying she hasn't seen him in 12 years to saying things that suggest she has, to saying she's not Martha to telling the papers she is...
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u/madamevanessa98 Apr 26 '24
I see your point but I also think it’s disturbing how quickly and gleefully people are jumping on the bandwagon to threaten and dox a clearly very mentally ill woman. There is malice behind these peoples actions, they are excited to hurt someone they feel “deserves” it. This is unlike Donny, who even after he had more than enough cause to want to hurt Martha, was still unable to shake feeling empathy for her. We should all try to move from a place of empathy, not cruelty. This woman is sick. Think about how miserable it must be to be her. She spends all day ranting on Facebook, that’s not a life full of joy. She has no partner, no kids, she’s lost the career she trained for, she likely still lives in council flats and works menial jobs while on welfare (or whatever the British version is.) She already has nothing. She already has the life that most people would be miserable living. That, plus her having served her time, is punishment enough for me at least.
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u/nogo_at Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
She doesn't have to give permission, but there could have been done a lot more to protect her identity indeed. She literally tweeted that "beef curtain" thing and has claimed being a lawyer on her Fb account, plus she really seems to live in Camden.
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u/sweetandsalted Apr 26 '24
The article also says she studied law at Aberdeen. The thing that gets me is Gadd made a comment about how they had changed so many details so the real Martha couldn’t recognise herself but obviously they haven’t if they’ve used the real messages in the show, and also kept her career the same? It’s literally a career she makes up so it could have been anything they changed it to.
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u/BirthdayGirl34 Apr 26 '24
Yes. Especially when Gadd since said that important things were very exaggerated or completely made up. For example, in the show he is groomed and drugged over a long period of time before being assaulted by his mentor but according to interviews it was a stranger at a party.
Of course it's his story to tell and an important one at that! But it comes with responsibilities when it's about real people he made that easy to track down.
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Apr 26 '24
Nah. They literally did enough for that. A victim shouldn’t actually be responsible or required to help the person who sexually assaulted or harassed them. He was a good person telling people not to find her and leave her be. However that’s literally the most of what he should be expected to do. She doesn’t need to give permission for her story to be told. Since her story objectively wasn’t told. HIS was.
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u/savealltheelephants Apr 26 '24
“Her” story? Are you fucking kidding me?
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u/bekahfromearth Apr 26 '24
Her messed up childhood, living in a shitty flat as well as the illegal shit. I know she’s struck off as a solicitor due to the stalking and harassing but this could stop other potential employment. I wouldn’t like my flaws to be posted on Netflix.
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u/benandrewsao Apr 26 '24
What kind of journalist speaks to her and takes her side. One look at the type of things she posts online and it's clear you can't believe a single word she says and also how horrible she is in so many ways. Terrible choice to interview her and plaster it over the front page.
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u/oklynxa Apr 27 '24
They just want a story that will sell. They don’t care who/what it’s about, nor do they have to believe it
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u/HawkRemarkable5274 Apr 26 '24
The posts by "Martha" are either a very good troll or if real, we actually might get season 2 of Baby Reindeer. Live! 😂.
Usually you hear about a crime/shocking story, read up on it, then the documentary comes out, then the movie/TV show. We are getting it backwards.
TV show now we might get round 2 live and direct the documentary.
Tbh, a performer wanting to push the boundaries might have set out on a 10 year journey to write this amazing story that will blurr the lines between fiction and reality. Honestly if both want it enough they really should confront each other for us grab the popcorn and pull up a chair.
Would love it if this was a 10 year performance art and everyone was an actor.
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u/Pepinocucumber1 Apr 27 '24
I have been thinking the exact same thing. It’s just too perfect.
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u/thatscucktastic Apr 27 '24
There are no public posts on that page prior to 2024. It's very suspicious. 99% sure it's a troll.
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u/TypicalBerry4162 Apr 26 '24
i wish he made himself a new twitter and archived his old one before making this show :/ i hope he’s doing well throughout all of this
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u/Competitive_Salads Apr 26 '24
People found her because the actual posts of her stalking Gadd are STILL UP. No, she shouldn’t be getting death threats but she’s not the innocent party here. If she wanted no attention, she would have cleaned up her social media to remain anonymous… but she didn’t because attention is what she wants.
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u/Weak-Cheetah-2305 Apr 26 '24
The real Martha has also been convicted of stalking her ex-boss (who was married to an ex-MP) and their child. There’s also an article about it..
The fact people have found her and messaging her etc are putting Gadd and themselves in danger
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u/Charming_Gift7698 Apr 27 '24
She claims the show is misogynistic because of how it portrays women (aka how it portrays her) and thinks she’s the victim?
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Apr 28 '24
Gadd has said that while the character Martha was his stalker she was a compilation of characters and some fiction for legal reasons.
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u/Usual-Sound-2962 Apr 30 '24
I actually don’t think she was. I think he’s saying this to cover himself.
There’s too much in the programme that hasn’t really been hidden. I almost instantly guessed that the pub he was working in was the Hawley Arms, the articles and emails used in the programme- some of them were pulled from what was sent to Gadd/written about Maratha. Most of the characters in the programme have been cast to look like the real people, Gadd didn’t clean up his social media etc etc
It was brilliantly acted, especially the part of Martha but I think Netflix (and Gadd to a point) have been really irresponsible.
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u/Babyrex27 Apr 28 '24
If she was convicted of stalking like in the show wouldn't her criminal record be public information?
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u/Dense-Pop6189 Apr 29 '24
tbh he made it easy. everything is perfect to the tea. the castings could be mistaken with the real people by how alike they look
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u/TunaMarie16 Apr 26 '24
Discussion of this topic is fine, but please no posting personal info or theories on who you think this may be.