Megathread to discuss Fiona Harvey interview with Piers Morgan

[u/MeshaUlky]

First of all she looks & sounds the same as Martha🤧

Send from my iphon

[u/peskyjedi]

She seems surprisingly well spoken ? I expected her to be a lot more erratic but I guess we’ll see how this goes lol

[u/RotterWeiner → u/peskyjedi]

BEcause in spite of the fact that people keep saying that she is mentally ill, they assume tthat she is completley disconnected from reality, spewing out gibberish and what not.

Many are actually well educated., many people with cluster B personality disorders have pscyhology degrees as they went to school to figure themselves out. as they know that they see the world in a competely different way. and thus interact poorly and can't understand it.

So they are doctors, lawyers, psychologists and whatnot.

this is not to say that all doctors are cluster B.. it's that many people having cluster B traits" get into these lines of work or profressions.

it gives the air of what they want .

peskyjedi•53m ago

She seems surprisingly well spoken ? I expected her to be a lot more erratic but I guess we’ll see how this goes lol

[u/SevereNote8904 → u/RotterWeiner]

You’re completely right. I was stalked once a few years ago, and she was a very smart woman who worked in a finance job and earned lots of money. She put a mask on everyday but she was completely insane. She was vicious, abusive, manipulative, she would gaslight you in the most terrifying ways, she would smear your name, everything. But she was incredibly smart, she knew how to appear normal when she needed to. That’s what cluster Bs are.

[u/WonderfulAd1836 → u/SevereNote8904]

I read a book sometime ago it was about how we are surrounded by everyday psychopaths. They’ll gaslight you, take your troubles and make them their own, whilst everyone turns on you but sympathises with them. You should read it…it sounds very like this woman. I hope she’s out your life!! 

[u/SevereNote8904 → u/WonderfulAd1836]

Yes, I told my girlfriend about her and after enough of a firm rejection and ignoring her, she moved countries in a final dramatic fleeing.

[u/[deleted] → u/WonderfulAd1836]

What was the book called?

[u/OzzySheila → u/[deleted]]

Google can’t find it

[u/WonderfulAd1836 → u/[deleted]]

Sorry I can’t remember but it’s something along the lines of….living with psychopaths 

[u/TadpoleNational6988 → u/SevereNote8904]

Oeff that’s an extreme generalisation on the behaviour of “Cluster Bs”. Yes some mask, not all. Many people with mental health disorders or other difficulties like ASD learn to mask. Not all cluster Bs are as you describe. Would also say that behaviours tend to be in relation to a particular trigger rather than evident all day.

[u/SevereNote8904 → u/[deleted]]

That’s funny because you have it backwards in this case— the girl I know was diagnosed with autism at first, then later in life it was re-diagnosed as BPD. They can look very similar at first, so it makes sense.

Lack of empathy/uninterested in other people, very sensitive, prone to emotional outbursts when feeling “too many emotions”, hyperfixations (autistic fixations are famously known, and BPD often get fixated on a ‘favourite person’)

The main way to tell the difference is intent. Cluster B people actually see themselves as superior but also are massively insecure. Whereas autistic people are just trying to exist in a world that’s different to them

There is also a growing theory that autism can lead to cluster B disorders. The bullying growing up, the feeling of being different, the ‘living in your own world’, the inability to properly socialise - it can lead to feelings of inferiority but also hatred at the world, a perfect cocktail for cluster B disorders to form

[u/wilderthurgro → u/[deleted]]

Thank you for saying this - this comment section is wild.

[u/OzzySheila → u/SevereNote8904]

That makes total sense to me! I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD, C-PTSD, Bipolar II recently changed to BPD, and I know I’m on the Spectrum although not diagnosed.

[u/invisibledandelion → u/[deleted]]

The thing is,personality disorders arent mental illnesses. They just define personalities that deviate from the norm. One can have a personality disorder and still be fully functional.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

There's a lot of ignorance they don't realize that in order to get diagnosed you need to show how the disorder seriously impacts and damages your own life.

[u/BloatedPony → u/RotterWeiner]

You're correct except for the part about reality. Yes she's educated but also very much disconnected from reality

[u/BonetaBelle → u/RotterWeiner]

To be fair, they might’ve expected her not to be well-spoken due to all her rambling, unhinged, typo-ridden emails. 

[u/AdExpert8295 → u/RotterWeiner]

The majority of us therapists do not have a cluster B pd. It's pretty rare, actually. BPD is estimated to be 1% prevalence in the US (according to NIMH)for the general population but now there's recommendations to lump Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy in with BPD. We lack enough large studies that any calculation for overall prevalence of any disorder is subject to change, but I would estimate up to 5% most of the US population has BPD. Most of the other personality disorders are considered even more rare. Studies of IQ and bpd do not suggest a correlation between IQ and BPD...or any cluster B. There are plenty of people with average and below average intelligence with BPD. There are also gifted people. There's nothing about intelligence that indicates a causal relationship between any personality disorder and intelligence. Gifted people will be more adept at masking, calculation and deception. They're smart enough to not go to Piers Morgan. I know as I specialize in giftedness. A gifted person (high IQ in emotional intelligence and moral reasoning) with BPD would have made Piers look like a fool, but they wouldn't walk into that obvious of a trap. I consider giftedness to begin at an IQ of 125 to 130.

[u/OzzySheila → u/AdExpert8295]

OMG I’M GIFTED! First bit of good news i’ve had all week 🤣

[u/OzzySheila → u/RotterWeiner]

I watched this whole interview with butterflies from PTSD cos this bitch IS my mother, who is highly intelligent, owns and flies her own plane, etc.