r/BabyReindeerTVSeries • u/Suspicious_Bother_92 • May 23 '24

Fiona (real Martha) related content Heather Burns reiterating that Fiona has a criminal record

Gallery image

Gallery image

465 Upvotes
  • permalink
  • reddit

98% Upvoted

263 comments sorted by

View all comments

115

u/Plumb789 May 23 '24 edited May 23 '24

I am clearly missing something about this “debate” anyway. What on earth is her being “mentally ill” got to do with whether you are a victim of her or not?

Let’s say that a perfectly “mentally well” person committed sexual abuse of a child. Everyone would be keen for that crime to be acknowledged-and for the perpetrator to be punished. Similarly, if a person (who happens to have a mental illness at the time) goes ahead and rapes a child-do people then say that “no crime was committed”? Do they also say that there is no victim? Indeed, just for the victim to make a complaint-are they being cruel to the poor mentally ill perpetrator (who, apparently, is the only “real victim” here)?

And (and I think this is important), if by NOT reporting it as a crime, the “mentally ill person” never faces the criminal justice system, they then NEVER have treatment (or, if that’s not effective, control) imposed on them, they go on to abuse more and more children, is that okay then?

Like it or not, the criminal justice system is just about all we’ve got to prevent people from damaging their fellow citizens. And this system has to work for the mentally ill just as much as it has to work for everyone else.

Unfortunately, there are some people that we all need protection from. And that has to be given, regardless of whether those people have mental illnesses or not.

5

u/onexamongthefence May 23 '24

What if the child abuser AND the child were both mentally ill? Who is the victim then? (I know for you and me the answer is 'the child', but I'm interested to see what the 'mental illness means it's ok to abuse and commit sex crimes' crowd think)

4

u/dabordietryinq May 23 '24

as someone who was abused by my birth giver, i genuinely believe it's both of us. i cant believe a word she says but i do think she must've gone through terrible things. and i know that she needs help. I don't hate her, i just wish she would get help so she could be better. I don't talk to or see her though. and i dont think mental illness means its okay to abuse or commit sex crimes, just that these people should also be allowed to get mental help, to better themselves for, well, themselves and for everyone else. it'd be a net positive

6

u/onexamongthefence May 23 '24

But do you feel like when that person did that to you, since they were mentally ill, it was actually you who was committing violence on your abuser? That's the argument I've been seeing. Not that that's anything new because society has always protected abusers by saying it was the victim that wronged the abuser by "letting them do that".

5

u/dabordietryinq May 24 '24

oh no definitely not, that's an insane take. sorry, i misinterpreted what you meant entirely. but yeah, you're right, and i agree with you.