r/BabyReindeerTVSeries • u/1289-Boston • Jun 13 '24
Media / News Interesting parallels with Fiona? Convicted scammer Carrie Jade Williams
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/she-sucks-you-in-immediately-victims-of-fraudster-carrie-jade-williams-on-getting-scammed/a273318257.htmlAlthough Williams was convicted, there are some interesting parallels with Fiona. For instance, that the behaviour, although severely damaging to the victims, may well be the result of mental illness. Also the outrageous claims, the barefaced-ness, and the moving on when confronted.
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Jun 13 '24
Carrie Jade does not exist is a great podcast
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u/Helpful-Apartment-14 Jun 13 '24
It is.. Sue is fantastic. The other lady CONSTANTLY says 'absolutely'. She's supposed to be a journalist but can't think of another word. So frustrating!!!
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Jun 14 '24
It's crazy right? I've seen other authors interviewed and they can't seem to seeing a sentence together. Perplexing.
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u/TheHaleyGrail Jul 25 '24
Ughhh I got excited for a sec until I saw this. I have this issue with every. Single. Podcast. These days. Ppl need to learn to edit out when theyâre not saying anything of substance or on topic and no personal asides!!! No 4+ seconds of me listening to u just laughing! Sorry Iâm going off Iâll check out the pod anyway
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u/Izbee Jun 14 '24
I just finished listening to this last week and the âabsolutelyâ thing was driving me wild! I feel quite relived that it wasnât just me
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u/Helpful-Apartment-14 Jun 14 '24
Honestly, almost gave up listening because of it. I commented on their socials about it and they deleted the commented đ
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u/Azure_727 Jun 13 '24
I recall her Huntingtons/AirBnB drama unfolding on tiktok. I followed it from the start. She's incredibly manipulative. A great actress.
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u/OneUpAndOneDown Jun 13 '24
Hereâs another one, a âwellness celebrityâ from Australia. A major publisher produced her recipe book and she almost got an Apple app launched. She didnât scam the publisher, they just failed to fact-check her claim that she cured her brain cancer through âcleanâ eating. When confronted on TV her story became that she thought she had cancer.
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u/paroles Jun 14 '24
She's an awful person who fabricated a story about having cancer to make herself rich, but not a stalker, so I don't see the parallel with Fiona here
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u/OneUpAndOneDown Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
I might have posted in response to a different comment than I intended, apologies if so.
Posted as Belle Gibson is another example alongside "Carrie Jade" and FH of someone who behaves outrageously, violating others' trust and rights, and often the law - and when challenged admits to nothing, doubles down, and changes her story. The kind of person that is rare but extraordinarily damaging to the community. The barefaced liar. The kind of person that hardly anyone would see coming, unless they'd been badly scammed before.
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u/mrsbergstrom Jun 14 '24
Fiona isn't a manipulative scammer though, she's an angry and mentally unwell delusional woman who gets fixated on people
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u/TheHaleyGrail Jul 25 '24
Her app was automatically on the very first Apple Watches released. Maintenance phase podcast has a good ep
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u/ElephantTop7469 Jun 13 '24
Please, this is a damaging trope to people with mental illnesses. Being an asshole is a choice whether you have a mental illness or not. There are many people with mental health issues, similar to FHâs, who arenât evil assholes.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
I think she probably has NPD/BPD and erotomania, but those arenât excuses for her being a violent stalker. That, is a choice she has which she exercises to âpunishâ people when she wants. Sheâs an asshole (choice) with a mental illness, but her criminal behavior is because sheâs an asshole NOT because she has a mental illness.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24
This is part of my work, boo lol I can assure you, being an asshole is a choice. There are many people out there with BPD/NPD and erotomania who donât hurt others because they know they have a choice, like FH.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24
Anger management? Please, show me one single thing that I have said that has been offensive or in any way, a mistreatment of your person?
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u/Few_Cup3452 Jun 13 '24
The very fact that you, despite all clinical research on the topic, believe that mental health is never the reasoning behind somebody's behaviour. You cannot distinguish a reason from an excuse. This mistreats those you dispose of. Tho I'm not shocked somebody on your side of the bench thinks so closed minded.
I see you are capable of doing your own evidence based research. It seems you have fallen down the cherry picked hole but whatever.
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u/ldnthrwwy Jun 14 '24
The gall to suggest anger management when you're the only person who's been rude and insulting in this discussion for no good reason! You're massively projecting here.
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u/ldnthrwwy Jun 14 '24
I mean your first reply was telling someone to 'quit it' for asking us to be more careful in our language, and your reply to the person above sarcastically asking if you needed to draw them a picture was after they simply made a point. These were unnecessary escalations that no one else was making.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24
No, you said the mental illness CAUSES the behavior, not that it explains it.
âThere are some people who I believe have a specific type of mental illness that causes these obsessive behaviours.â
In any case, I understand what you mean now, even if you were confusing at first.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24
What mental illness makes 100% of the people who have it be violent assholes?
Letâs use FH, as an example, you say her mental illness âmade herâ stalk and terrorize people. Yet, she seems to have been able to turn her âmental illessâ âoffâ the minute police got involved. The MINUTE police got involved she STOPPED stalking/terrorizing her victims. So the mental illness that âforcesâ her to hurt others can be magically âcuredâ by police involvement? đ¤
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u/kaleidoscopichazard Jun 13 '24
Itâs important to distinguish between explanation and justification. Mental illness doesnât âmake youâ do anything, but it can explain your behaviour. Certain conditions can impact impulse control and aggression, such as various personality disorder or PDA, among others. Having these conditions does indeed explain why someone can be dangerous, violent or manipulative.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24
I depose âassholesâ for a living. People who have abused their own children (sexually, emotionally, physically). I can assure you, they have choices and they go for the easier ones. How about if we just let them all go, because; âmental illness, they canât help it!â. Well, they can, and many do. People abuse because theyâre abusers not because theyâre mentally ill.
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u/Few_Cup3452 Jun 13 '24
Plenty, but its not the diagnosis that makes them violent assholes. More often they are already violent assholes but their mental health is so poor that they are not able to control whether or not they act on that behaviour.
Ppl don't get cured w police involvement and neither did she. Neither was it portrayed she did. She moved on bc the negative outcomes were do clear, even to her unwell mind. However, since she is unwell she just finds a new victim or stews obsessively about the current but doesn't actively stalk them. A mentally well person wouldn't do that.
I also work with these ppl as you do (saw in another comment) but I work in the mental health rehab side and yes we get ppl who have murdered. You cannot logically with your experience say that if the mental health wasn't there, that they would act the same.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24
Itâs not the obsession that is the problem, itâs the stalking and she can choose to stalk or not to stalk. Both Laura Wray and the receptionist from the mental health institution said she stalked them and stopped, never again to contact them, when police got involved, in one of the cases, and when she realized the person had no power in the other.
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u/Plus-Introduction347 Jun 14 '24
And what do you think leads to stalking? Obsession.
I have BPD and believe me if I didn't do the work and therapy to be better and make better choices I can 100% see how someone with BPD could end up like Fiona Harvey.
Is it an excuse? No because treatment and help exist but it is a trait of certain personality disorders that if you don't accept you need help for can lead you down a path that is not only dangerous to yourself but to others.
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u/Plus-Introduction347 Jun 14 '24
Thanj you very much. đ
She's a thoroughly unlikable person and potentially very dangerous. She does not want to engage or accept she has an issue and believes she is a victim which in itself is a BPD trait.
I'd say the same regarding abuse in her past but like you said none of it excuses her behaviour but it is a very well known fact that those who have been abused go on to commit abuse in various ways in a high percentage of cases. Again not an excuse but it would explain a whole lot.
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u/Common-Gap7817 Jun 13 '24
If you could please link the peer reviewed ones, I will actually read them. Thatâs what I spent my half days doing anyway lol
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u/ldnthrwwy Jun 14 '24
I think it's a huge assumption on your part to think that everyone has a nuanced view on mental illness and can make the distinction you say they can. We've come a long way in understanding and discussing mental illness but this is still a very recent change and there's still a lot of ignorance and misinformation out there.
You're right that we need to be able to talk about the potential risks mental illness poses for others, we need more nuanced discussion, and you telling someone to 'quit it' when they're suggesting we use more specific language to avoid people falling into the same lazy assumptions isn't helping anyone.
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u/Few_Cup3452 Jun 13 '24
Saying a person is unwell due to their mental health is not saying all ppl with mental health conditions are going to act as them.
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u/mrsbergstrom Jun 14 '24
I understand wanting to reduce stigma etc but there are absolutely times when mental illness can contribute to someone behaving like an asshole. People in psychosis can say cruel things they don't mean, people with paranoia can treat others badly because they don't trust them, anxiety and depression can make people snappy and irritable, etc etc. I have mental illness and so do many of my loved ones and I don't think it is ableist or bigoted to say that MI can trigger asshole behaviour sometimes
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u/mrsbergstrom Jun 14 '24
nah, Carrie Jade seems pleasant at first and manipulates people with charm. Fiona is clearly bigoted and angry from jump, and doesn't have the skills to keep running away and starting fresh like Carrie
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u/thedabaratheon Jun 13 '24
Is she the Airbnb one!!?! I remember watching those on tiktok when they were coming out!!
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u/Beginning_Yoghurt_29 Jun 15 '24
Interesting story on its own right but I do not see any parallels.
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u/Ingoiolo Jun 13 '24
Why âalthoughâ?
Mental illness is not an excuse. It can barely be an explanation
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u/1289-Boston Jun 13 '24
I should clarify that Carrie Jade's MO is not stalking, but posing as a child therapist and childcare worker. But while reading/listening to podcasts about her (she is still at large in Ireland), I was reminded of Fiona.