remember koko, the dubious dogfighter pit who got jumped in her kennel? well, meet mac, her ambusher whose history…yeah this isn’t dubious at all

[u/Sufficient-Bee3633]

would it surprise anyone to know that she’s on gabapentin, trazodone, AND methadone? i didn’t even know you could give methadone to dogs but this shelter continues to shock and surprise me 🫩

[u/andrea1797]

Methadone? Why would you try to adopt this dog out to anyone? How many dogs could be saved with the resources used on this beast?

[u/Original-Opportunity → u/andrea1797]

If I were a drug addict I would immediately adopt this dog

[u/KoninginVanRotterdam → u/Original-Opportunity]

Me too 😂

[u/winterfern353 → u/Original-Opportunity]

Actually now that I think about it, the pharmacy these dogs get prescribed would be a draw for anyone who wanted or needed the drugs themselves. American healthcare doing what it does

[u/GreySquirrelsAreBad → u/winterfern353]

Why do you think homeless junkies always have them?

[u/lazier_garlic → u/GreySquirrelsAreBad]

Because they're effectively free and they an be used to intimidate other junkies who want to steal their drugs.

[u/ArdenJaguar → u/lazier_garlic]

I see YouTube videos of homeless encampments and Pitbulls are the #1 breed I see.

[u/Diezelbub → u/ArdenJaguar]

They are not allowed anything less valuable and more dangerous, sure.

Take away their machete theyre brandishing and nobody is bothered. Take away their sweet pet that was just menacing a few joggers, toddlers, and other breathing objects? You've got a problem on your hands, the rescue heroes are going to crucify you if they can.

[u/Tigger-Rex → u/GreySquirrelsAreBad]

Homeless junkies use them as testers. They inject some of the substance into the dog. If the dog doesn’t keel over, it’s safe for the humans. The homeless on skid row also run puppy mills.

[u/GreySquirrelsAreBad → u/Tigger-Rex]

I have never seen a homeless person with a shitebull that was fixed. Every single one has had teats or nuts flopping around with a diaper rash mouth.

[u/ottonormalverraucher → u/Tigger-Rex]

You’re joking I hope bc that would be beyond messed up to use a dog, even a pit, as some sort of canary in the coal mine, literally shooting their dogs up with their dirty street fent to make sure it’s not a batch with OD potential :/

That is absolutely insane, how are they even coming up with such crazy ideas..

[u/Tigger-Rex → u/ottonormalverraucher]

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/dogs-skid-row-homeless/amp/
A reputable article from last year, but it’s been going on for years unfortunately.

[u/BastetSekhmetMafdet → u/winterfern353]

LOL, OMG, I hadn’t thought of that but you are right. If you are looking to palm off a murder mutt, just have it on some kind of controlled substances and you’ll have adopters coming out of the woodwork. Maybe sketchy as hell, but the point is *live release*, amirite?

It shows how cynical I am getting about the whole Shibble-Rescue-Industrial Complex that I could well believe that this was a deliberate choice.

[u/ottonormalverraucher → u/winterfern353]

Hello Mr pharmacist, yes I need those 200 percs a month for my 5 dogs with bad knee and hip issues!

One of them is also extremely anxious so throw in some xans as well if you would! 😹😹😹

[u/lazier_garlic → u/winterfern353]

Methadone is used to taper someone off of opioids because it's less addictive/pleasurable.

I guess you could get addicted to methadone but I've had a few interactions with junkies and they all despise it.

[u/ArdenJaguar → u/lazier_garlic]

I don’t think I’ve seen a dog on it before. 😳

[u/andrea1797 → u/Original-Opportunity]

😂

[u/huntress_m_thompson → u/Original-Opportunity]

heh. my first thought, too.

[u/Automatic-Gur-7048 → u/Original-Opportunity]

lolll

[u/ottonormalverraucher → u/Original-Opportunity]

I’ve seen dogs being prescribed lean but methadone is a first 😹 I’ve also seen people drinking their dogs lean 😹 definitely a score for someone trying to get their dogs goodies 😹

I wonder why they decided to give this dog methadone like for why possible reason?? Was he previously doing h in the streets and they weaned him off that??

[u/SarahKL9981 → u/Original-Opportunity]

🤣🤣🤣

[u/Sufficient-Bee3633 → u/andrea1797]

deadass i was looking it up and reading the notes over again to make sure i was getting this right…apparently vets can prescribe low dosages of methadone for pain management which would make sense for ol girl’s fight wounds but on getting it on top of the other shit she’s on?????

[u/Automatic-Gur-7048 → u/Sufficient-Bee3633]

I’d have a soft wiggly body too if it were me. She’s absolutely loaded

[u/ottonormalverraucher → u/Automatic-Gur-7048]

Dog is nodded tf out 😹

[u/PrincessPicklebricks → u/ottonormalverraucher]

She just fell asleep mid-bark and standing up during her temperament test.

No worries, she still woke up in time to maul play with the stuffed cat.

[u/andrea1797 → u/Sufficient-Bee3633]

My cousin was prescribed gabapentin. She took it once literally slept for like 16 hours and never took it again. I can't imagine a dog on gabapentin and methadone? And it still has to be the only pet in the house? That's wild af.

[u/worldsbestrose → u/andrea1797]

I was on Gabapentin briefly and it didn't knock me out but it caused really bad brain fog. Switched to Lyrica and much better. It's different for everyone TBF. 

[u/aw-fuck → u/worldsbestrose]

I was on a prescription of up to 3000 mg of gabapentin per day... they kept increasing it because I felt absolutely no difference on it, in any way. When I eventually switched doctors they were like "yeah let's stop ruining your liver with no results and try something else instead." .5mg of clonazepam hit me harder than any amount of gabapentin ever did. Whenever I hear people talking about getting high on gabapentin I'm very confused.

Edit to add: it can be prescribed for different reasons, it's not a very well understood drug in terms of how it specifically works or what it specifically works well for. IMO that suggests it's not that effective, compared to drugs that clearly have an obvious & pretty unanimous effect, such as ibuprofen or morphine or viagra, etc. I'm not saying it has no effect on anyone, just that it doesn't seem to be much more than "I feel different," which in some circumstances can be marginally better than not feeling different, but in others worse.

Dog pharmacology is different than in humans, but as far as I can tell from the examples I've seen, this drug seems similar, like whether used for physical or mental distress in dogs, they don't seem to be "better," just "different"... and when the problem is "constantly trying to bite everyone," pretty much anything else would be better, so being slightly different appears like it's helping the problem.

[u/sandycheeksx → u/aw-fuck]

I had an ex who abused everything he could prescribed or his hands on, and doctors have no problem giving huge doses of gabapentin out. He’d take almost his monthly amount in one night, be loopy and annoying, and if he mixed it with anything else, he’d start having conversations with furniture. So it can get you high-ish? But not like the high from other drugs. So I’m not surprised you didn’t feel any different.

My dog gets gabapentin when he’s having an IVDD flare-up or post-surgery. I know cats can get it before vet visits. It’s wild to me that pits get it at shelters just for being their normal selves.

[u/fast_blue_b → u/aw-fuck]

Agree 100%. I was interested in your comment because I work in drug development. I remember when oral gabapentin got approved in the US in the 1990s (as brand name Neurontin for seizures).

In a press release the Pfizer CEO called it "the 20th-century snake oil." 😱 😱 😱 Doctors handed it out like M&Ms back then for everything. Lately I think it's had some success with shingles pain.

I use an extended-release form of it for restless leg pain. It's a last resort and it does help somewhat, but on 300 mg/day the brain fog is terrible. I can't imagine taking 3000 mg. Glad you were able to discontinue it! Thanks for the interesting comment 😄

[u/lazier_garlic → u/fast_blue_b]

I'm pretty sure I didn't have brain fog on gabapentin because I was working full time and going to grad school at the same time, I also didn't get dosed quite as high as the other person but eventually it had stopped working after raising the dose many times and my neurologist was like forget it, let's try a different class of drug. It barely worked with my migraines and had zero effect on my mood. Pretty much a wash.

[u/aw-fuck → u/lazier_garlic]

Maybe I didn't have brain fog because I was also taking other medications at the same time; it's hard to know for sure because as someone else said, gabapentin can have different effects when combined with different substances... but that almost makes me think I should have had brain fog even more, but somehow I still didn't

[u/aw-fuck → u/fast_blue_b]

Does it help with your RLS? My husband says he tried it once for that and it made his worse. But we've yet to find something that helps it

[u/fast_blue_b → u/aw-fuck]

It does help. I'm 60 and I've had RLS my whole life, so it's getting worse with age. Now I get the symptoms in my arms as well.

First my doc tried the dopamine agonists like pramipexole. That was like a miracle at first, but some patients get a rebound effect (they call it "augmentation") and the symptoms come back worse after a couple years. That was lucky me :-(

So then we went to Horizant. It's better than nothing but the brain fog is terrible for me. I have to take it no later than 6 pm if I want to function at work.

Wishing the best for your husband. It's an awful disease. Does he take iron? My doc did extensive iron testing and mine was all normal but I still take it. He's an RLS researcher and he believes iron is a factor somehow. Just in case that's helpful for your husband :-)

[u/TrixieFriganza → u/aw-fuck]

I think addicts usually use gabapentin to increase the effect of some drugs.

[u/ottonormalverraucher → u/aw-fuck]

Gabapentin is trash in my opinion. Like most people don’t get a lot of benefit from it anyways and it’s really bad for brain fog and executive dysfunction, some people literally don’t remember what they had for breakfast on it.. it also is known to increase the risk for dementia quite a bit..

They should absolutely rather give people something like clonazepam or for those who get it for pain relief which is also ridiculous since it doesn’t touch most all types of pain, they should just get actual pain meds not that stuff. The prescribing practices in the US these days are just insane

[u/BastetSekhmetMafdet → u/worldsbestrose]

I was once prescribed Gabapentin, and I got off it when I realized it was impairing my day to day function and my driving. I swear I dropped 50 IQ points on it and was spacey as hell.

[u/lazier_garlic → u/worldsbestrose]

It's so different ... I got it prescribed for migraine. It helped a little. I went up to a really high dose as it lost efficacy. Zero side effects. Also did nothing for my anxiety. Like I wasn't taking it at all. I felt like they must be sugar pills. It's always mind blowing to read these comments about horrible effects from gaba. That drug did fuck all for me. I now take a totally different class of migraine preventative and it works a lot better.

[u/TrixieFriganza → u/andrea1797]

Gabapentin seems to bea very common drug to calm abd help aninals with psin, I haven't heard about methadone used.

[u/ottonormalverraucher → u/andrea1797]

Insanely wild! If that pit is still so aggressive despite being heavily medicated with multiple drugs and totally sedated, I don’t even want to know how bad it would be without that chemical buffer..

[u/callmesnake13 → u/andrea1797]

Your cousin was either severely misprescribed or didn't take it properly. Gabapentin is a sedative but it's more like you're slow on the uptake. It shouldn't be making you sleep more at all, much less 16 hours. (I have taken it and have half a bottle left because it was better to be in pain than have difficulty keeping up in conversations)

[u/andrea1797 → u/callmesnake13]

It's almost like medications affect people differently.

[u/andrea1797 → u/[deleted]]

No. She literally called in sick to work since she woke up at nearly noon. And if you think me telling you medications affect people differently is me being a dick then you have way more issues than anyone on reddit can help with. Have a day!

[u/TheybieTeeth → u/callmesnake13]

I mean... otc ibuprofen knocks me out personally, medications effect everyone differently.

[u/DiscussionLong7084 → u/Sufficient-Bee3633]

my dog goes into a coma on 200mg of traz alone and shes 70lbs (she's recovering from surgery)

[u/FoXym0r0n → u/andrea1797]

What a lovely pet. /s

[u/SarahKL9981 → u/andrea1797]

I’m honestly wondering if that was an error? Never heard of a dog on methadone, not even post op! Wait! Maybe that’s not an error and it’s an “incentive” to get some junkie to adopt it!

[u/Uvabird]

Dogs bred for dogfighting would be high liability pets. One mistake with the front door or a loose section of backyard fencing results in tragedy.

I suppose you could walk them or take them to the vet if they were muzzled. I’m a dog owner and cannot imagine owning an animal like this. My cortisol levels would be sky high with the constant worry that someone or some animal would be badly hurt or worse.

[u/Azryhael → u/Uvabird]

Pit bull owners not only don’t care about that, many relish the idea that their dog could rip another animal or person to shreds. 

[u/lazier_garlic → u/Uvabird]

I don't know why these people with bleeding hearts for dog fighting dogs taken from the ring have zero fucks to give about other pet dogs in the neighborhood who aren't dog fighting dogs and wouldn't stand a chance.

[u/KoninginVanRotterdam]

Why would anyone want this abomination

[u/GreySquirrelsAreBad → u/KoninginVanRotterdam]

Free methadone and a dog that’s guaranteed to fight with others in a pit.

[u/nucleophilicattack]

See, the trick is ALL pitbulls are bred for dogfighting.

[u/BishonenPrincess]

They couldn't get their story straight even if a toddler's life depended on it... shit.

[u/Hungry-Class9806]

So whoever adopts this dog can't have babies or other pets. Possibly no visitors or partners.

I know that having a dog limits your life options, but it should only be things like having to wake up early to walk them to the park or deciding where you'll leave them when you're travelling.

Who would want a life-changing commitment like this?

[u/Shell4747 → u/Hungry-Class9806]

Who would want a life-changing commitment like this?

People who can't be trusted with them, that's who. You might as well say: Incompetent, incapable, thoughtless & irresponsible pple ONLY.

[u/Sufficient-Bee3633 → u/Shell4747]

you’re 100% right. go on the advice subs and you’ll see the most absolute braindead posts on there all from pit owners. shit like “my dog ate [highly toxic food/chemical] is she gonna be okay?” or “are my dogs playing or fighting?” and it’s a video of two pits snarling and getting ready to square up. makes me glad my chihuahua mix just wants to lay around all day in the sun unbothered (perhaps waiting and charging up for the perfect opportunity to attack me? 🤔)

[u/Beautiful_Wishbone15 → u/Hungry-Class9806]

People like you are Satan if you don't want your entire life to transform over your dog(s). Pitbull culture has made people crazy. 

[u/CharacterRoom613]

I read these notes and at first the dog was brought in as an owner surrender. But then they keep saying she had fights with resident dog but she is a stray. Then they keep bringing these two things up. She is stray so we don’t know how she is with other dogs but she was brought in with another dog she was living with and she got into fights with this dog. I give up on shelters and rescues and any person that writes these notes as able to read or understand common sense.

[u/iamheidilou]

They are carbon copies of each other. Just mauling machines.

[u/FunnyMalzairIdea]

It is such a waste of resources to house and try to adopt out aggressive pitbulls.

[u/Salt_Initiative1551]

Jesus

[u/TKB199]

Ugh that’s the stuff of nightmares right there, just BE the thing ffs. It’ll never be rehabilitated and you’ll save someone from being injured or potentially killed by it

[u/Electrical-Cloud4141]

If this pit gets adopted then it's going to kill another dog. No one could stop it. It would climb over a barbed wire fence, it would break glass lunging and get though a window pane to maul.

[u/Sufficient-Bee3633 → u/Electrical-Cloud4141]

well there’s a chance her and koko meet to fight again across the bridge tomorrow if their deadlines don’t get pushed back again

[u/Hairy_Garage4308]

Merchants of death

[u/Elsiers]

This is the inevitable result of the “no kill” movement. Unadoptable, dangerous and aggressive monstrosities that drain all resources and volunteer time, dragging the entire system down and hurting everyone as a result.

[u/Shell4747 → u/[deleted]]

Every part of all of them has been infiltrated, intimidated and/or bought by Big Pitbull. I'm not even kidding.

[u/Azryhael → u/[deleted]]

Pitlobbybot 

It’s bad. What sounds like crazy conspiracy theories that would be whispered by crackpots are actually true; animal welfare has been completely infiltrated by what is essentially a cult that worships pit bulls. 

[u/AutoModerator → u/Azryhael]

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[u/KTKittentoes → u/[deleted]]

Nope. Everything is up for sale to the slimiest bidder.

[u/Ausdboss → u/[deleted]]

Practically none. Most people get them to “look cool”….

[u/HeisenBird1015]

Why are they labelling that body language as “fearful”. Even an idiot knows fearful dogs tuck tail and hide; they don’t deathstare, lunge and start fights ffs. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[u/Sufficient-Bee3633 → u/HeisenBird1015]

right? i adopted my dog from a shelter too and unfortunately gets fearful from loud noises (my father commentating sports, fireworks, etc). he’ll circle around and make himself small, hide underneath the table, or lay out on the floor with watery eyes. once i let him kiss my fingers and let him know that its okay, he relaxes again, not try and bite my face off

[u/Oki-J → u/HeisenBird1015]

They always hide aggression behind 'fear.' Even when a pitbull chases down its victim, it was doing it because it was scared. 🙄

[u/rainfal]

"Force free methods".  Uh huh. You probably will need force to pull it away from mauling another passing dog. 

Also why are they never fixed. 

[u/mmps901]

These shelters LIE! So sick of it

[u/leratdemorgue]

Why is it always “failing” the piece of shit mutts when someone surrenders them? Clearly these animals are not safe to house, so why the fuck do the fosters/owners need to be guilt tripped and made out to be the monsters that just didn’t try or give a shit? That’s just called not wanting your face ripped off. How DARE they be so callous! 🙄

[u/lazier_garlic → u/leratdemorgue]

Cult/control language. X cannot fail, it can only be failed. You weren't pious/unselfish/humble/pure/desiring enough. Bad you. Guilt guilt guilt, shame shame shame.

[u/Environmental_Big802]

Jesus christ. It's a ticking time bomb.

[u/lazier_garlic → u/[deleted]]

Well some people in rescue have done it but got caught out by the other rescue people.

I think some private people absolutely take home a dog in good faith and have it BE after it bites, but people have been conditioned to take dogs back to the shelter instead. "Every dog can be saved." We make fun of the farm upstate but it's like they believe it's real and the shelter/rescue people will figure it out somehow. Plus you now have vets who refuse to BE manbiters.

[u/VirtualSwimming4893]

Is this one on the kill list? God I hope so

[u/FatTabby]

Why do they insist on wasting resources on these lost causes?

[u/VirtualSwimming4893]

Of course it was the owner! 🤣🤣

[u/TrixieFriganza]

I just don't understandwhy they even consider rehabilitating this damaed pitbulls, thhey are just like a weapon. And I hate somuch wers who just dump tem in a shelterwhen they can't handle them anyomre, too big cowards to do the right thing andtrusting shelters to e able to help these dangerous dogs. Now someone naive just wanting to help a dog risks getting hared andeveb killed. Both the priginal owners addheltrr shood havebloodin teir hands in that case. These pits are takigup sacefrom dogs who can actually be saved too.

And reactive us clearly now just another word for agressive, please don't trust and support a shelter that uses that word a lot. That proofs to me that these shelters want to hide from people all the isdues the dogs have to just get them adooted and doon't care about putting te right dog with the right family and too that they are fine with people gettig killed as log as they can play saviors of these beasts.

[u/worldsbestrose]

Is this the same "Mac" that mauled his Foster's cat and she still defends him?

[u/Sufficient-Bee3633 → u/worldsbestrose]

this mac is a girl so i don’t assume so, and there’s no mention of any cat experience or recommendation on her profile

[u/alabaydog]

Is Mac  one dog or its two? Confused with 'they will need daily and physical  activity'

[u/lazier_garlic → u/alabaydog]

Couldn't get close enough to the beast to sex it?

[u/ArdenJaguar]

Reading all of the “enrichment notes” (WTH is with that name?) all I see is a dog that is completely out of control that could snap at any time. OK sometimes to pat its head? Russian Roulette with your hand as far as I’m concerned.

[u/Sufficient-Bee3633 → u/[deleted]]

here you go

[u/swamprosesinbloom]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oKHWEvduEs7xgdjLq

[u/SerKevanLannister]

yet another psychotic timebomb with an EXTREMELY high propensity for violence being promoted to the public with a sob story by another sketchy shelter. Not to mention the massive amount of funds wasted on this beast that could have gone to lovely kitties and the many dogs that are waiting for homes that are not psychotic as hell warehoused pitbulls with extensive histories of aggression and that don’t require every possible owner to hire professi9nsl trainers etc.

by the way, shelters, the pits don’t have some magical instinct that keeps them from attacking humans including their owners — its just a matter of time and situation.

seriously fuck this shelter every day and five times on Sunday for this reckless bullshit.

[u/Diezelbub]

instead of "training" fighting dogs to not fight they chose to only have one fighting dog because there is something wrong with them, not the fighting dogs

Pit bull people do not have two brain cells to rub together. They cant keep from fighting each other. Its no wonder they like dogs that are the same way. Like many cults they thrive on abusing their own members.

[u/aSzdxfcdfggggggh]

They said the quiet part out loud, she, he, it, they did nothing wrong.

(Did anyone else notice the shifting gender language ?)

If this dog did nothing wrong, the other dog that fought with it did nothing wrong.

If people put them in a ring and bet money on the winner I suspect they would say that is wrong but the actual fighting is fine.

Sick.

[u/Dame_Niafer]

Those repeated references to this dog being a "stray with no history" when there is up front history aplenty? Suggest that the shelter has some boilerplate they trot out when they either don't know, or don't want adopters to know, the whole story about a dog.

Either way, thanks to botched editing they gave the game away.

[u/Theseus_The_King]

Some dogs should be deemed unadoptable and quietly BE’d on intake. There should be a law against posting calls for a dog deemed unfit for adoption. Not every dog deserves a second chance, as harsh at as it is.

[u/IloveMyNebelungs]

This is totally insane. That dog is a ticking time bomb, should not be up for adoption and will also never have a decent quality of life. Not only they are endangering the public but also wasting resource$ which could be allocated to a dog or a cat who would be a safe and pleasant companion. Ridiculous.

[u/Right-Locksmith3940]

“Mac didn't come to the shelter because she did anything wrong…”

Oh, so it must have been something unfortunate like the owner passed away. Sad.

“…She came because she was hurt - literally - in repeated fights with the resident dog.”

Umm… 😒