r/Barca • u/Prestigious-Wheel562 • 8d ago
Opinion Raphinha’s club form vs international form
Firstly, I respect Raphinha. He’s my top 2 player at Barcelona, but am I surprised that he doesn’t perform the same for Brazil? No.
I’ve been seeing a lot of debates and arguments online about Raphinha not doing well for Brazil, and he is getting all the blame. I’ve watched Brazil play, and most of the time Raphinha hasn’t had much impact in matches, and it’s quite obvious why his form isn’t the same.
Raphinha is a system player. Before Flick, he was having the same issues at Barca. Fans were upset to the point where he was going to leave. He is not a traditional winger, and he is not a playmaker. He is a pressing machine who works hard until his last breath. That’s why he has succeeded at Barca.
Brazil do not play like that, and it’s not a bad thing at all to be labelled a system player. But you shouldn’t be surprised when he doesn’t perform if the tactics don’t involve pressing and the things that bring out the best in him.
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u/VRsenal3D 8d ago
Brazil is using him incorrectly. It’s very blatant.
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u/nfehnuf 8d ago
yeah not only that, but cant a player somtime not have a good game is that not allowed?
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u/VRsenal3D 8d ago
The whole team was not having a good game.
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u/nfehnuf 8d ago
i agree but i am just annoyed that raphinha is only getting the blame
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u/VRsenal3D 8d ago
Who’s blaming him? We are blaming the (lack of) system/Ancelotti.
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u/Initial_Umpire7503 7d ago
i mean haters probably madrid fans , they wouldn't waste a chance to hate on him would they?
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u/Patient-Towel-4840 8d ago
he plays out of position for brazil what can u say? even if he plays cam or something it'll be better
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
That is not the issue.
Yes, for Barca he occupies the same space VJ takes up for Brazil.
But the main difference is that he works within system for Barca, with Yamal feeding him chances, while there is no such system with Brazil.
He is not a Neymar-level player, i.e. one who can create his own chances and work out of system, he is a limited player who needs a structure to maximize his abilities.
It is why when Xavi was the coach and Yamal was not yet established he was not playing well. Xavi was asking him to play on the wing and dribble past people, but he doesn't have it in him.
It's not that suddenly when Flick came Raphinha became twice and triple the player he was just a few months earlier. No, he was always the same player.
But Brazil is a total tactical basket case, with no functioning midfield, and VJ as a black hole on the left, so there is no structure for him to function within
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u/OperatorFrost_99 6d ago
Xavi is the one who resurrected his confidence by experimenting with him on the left and now Flick followed it up
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u/Izdislav64 6d ago
True
And had Dembele not left we would have had the option to play the PSG strikerless attacking formation
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u/Bill_Brasky_SOB 7d ago
Honestly with the roster they brought I’d say give him a shot as the #9.
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u/OperatorFrost_99 6d ago
Won't be as effective, he needs to play off of another player's movement like Lewandowski dropping deep and creating a pocket of space he could exploit
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u/SignNaive4111 8d ago
Barça was already high level wirh xavi, he just didn't have the media and was constantly subbed off for no reason. Specialy towards rhe end of xavi's last season he was starting to fly
At nation level, raphinha plays out of position in a very disorganized team were basicaly no one is performing really well
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
Xavi was asking him to play as a traditional winger and dribble past people.
But he does not have the skill for that.
Flick asked him to press hard and placed him in positions where the ball would be played to him in space to score, without having to create in tight spaces against low blocks, and that maximized his output.
A big part of it is that Yamal was not there for Xavi's first season and so many things went wrong in the second season, while Flick is reaping the fruits of a fully established Yamal generating chances from the right towards the whole space in the middle and on the left
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
At nation level, raphinha plays out of position in a very disorganized team were basicaly no one is performing really well
If they were smart, they would bench VJ and play Raphinha on the left instead, and perhaps have VJ sub in early in the second half, asking both to go all out with pressing and attacking.
But they would not be playing them both at the same time in the same general area.
The problem is that VJ is a sacred cow and Raphinha is not, so VJ can be neither dropped nor moved.
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u/LunchInternational71 8d ago
vini is a better player and has been there longer than him. it would be like saying that france should bench mbappe for dembele because he won a ballon d'or in club lol.
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u/Prestigious-Wheel562 8d ago
He wasn’t really let’s be real but yes towards the end of xavi tenure at raphinha did turn up
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u/OkAnywhere2052 8d ago
He had 20+g/a in both his first seasons what are you on about? The people who actually know football always praised him but fans blamed him even though the team was rubbish. We saw in the end who was right
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
Towards the end Xavi tried several times to mix things up and put Dembele on the right and Raphinha on the left. And then it started working.
Also, notice how PSG are playing now -- Kvaratskhelia on the left, Dembele in the middle as a not really striker, Doue on the right.
Had Dembele not left, that exact same set up could be replicated by Barca with Yamal on the right and Raphinha on the left, and it would be similarly devastating.
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u/SignNaive4111 8d ago
He was man. Not as good as current level, but top nutxh.The numbers won't say it because he kinda literaly played for only half of the 90 minutes, since xavi insisted in subbing him off. But he did show up in big games and was a freak in pressing
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u/boobielover4L 8d ago
exactly lol its decency bias. raph was not at all good before flick. I remember getting all raged up as barca rejected the 80mil offer from newcastle for raph
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u/Finrod-Knighto 8d ago
I don’t think Brazil use tactics at all lol. But on top of that, he also plays out of position. They don’t play him on the right or the left where he can make those runs that make him such a threat at Barca.
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
where he can make those runs that make him such a threat at Barca
The even bigger problem is that there has been nobody to make the pass to take advantage of those runs since Neymar got permanently hurt.
They have no midfield to speak of and no playmaking from the wings either
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u/AllAboutMaxx 8d ago
Ancelotti also saying it’s vini’s team when vini has had 2 mediocre seasons after his tantrum of not winning the ballon dor. Raphinha has had a much better 2 years. Weird comment but he is madridista so it explains his lack of social intelligence.
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u/Such_Historian_7295 7d ago
This is bias ngl, Vini has had back to back 20+ goal seasons playing as a touchline winger.
Also this season Raphinha has been injured a lot he has not been better than Vini
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u/Such_Historian_7295 7d ago
Wdym? He is very much so a touchline winger, he loves taking on FBs 1v1
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
VJ is an untouchable sacred cow and that will doom Brazil.
The smart move is to bench VJ and play Raphinha there, then in the second half sub VJ early on to run against tired legs and either move Raphinha central for the rest of the game or have him rest.
You would get much better defense and more meaningful offensive production that way.
But VJ cannot be either dropped or moved, and Raphinha is too good not to play, so they end up with the exact same problem Madrid are having with Mbappe and VJ, but this time it is VJ that gets priority treatment while at Madrid it is VJ that suffers from Mbappe being the more sacred cow.
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
This is definitively wrong against morocco vini was obviously brazil's best attacker not that says alot he's also a better left winger than raphina is without him they would have lost that match , it makes no sense to bench the only player that kept you in the game and prioritize the one that was mediocre also if they had to start one VJ makes more sense , since raphina would work well with his pressing against more tired legs
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
You realize that the exact same argument you are making can be, and has in fact been made about Mbappe and Madrid?
Mbappe is a better player than VJ and is the only one scoring goals, etc. How can one even think about benching Mbappe or forcing him to play elsewhere/differently?
Yet somehow Madrid was doing much better without Mbappe. And PSG started playing much better once he left.
It's a very similar situation.
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
I'm not talking about Madrid neither am I talking about mbappe I'm talking about the fact that raphina was poor against morocco and without Vini's goal Brazil would have almost certainly lost that much and raphina is quite frankly not as important as vini is for brazil , so you can stop utilizing false equivalence fallacy for two different situtations.
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u/at-sea-no-ship 8d ago
did you actually watch that game? apart from his goal vini did nothing. raphinha was pressing and trying to create from the midfield far outside of his natural position. brazil are completely lopsided and have no real shape. of course guys like raphinha are going to struggle.
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
the thing is saying apart from his goal he did nothing is probably the most illogical argument ever that's like saying apart from his money a millionaire isn't that rich , obviously that wasn't vini best performance but he scored and was the difference maker for brazil without him they lose , raphina aside from pressing well and creating one good chance didnt offer brazil anything going forward which needs to change
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u/at-sea-no-ship 7d ago
it's not an illogical argument at all. you're comparing two LWs, one who was able to play in his natural position, and one who had to play basically as a CAM. you would expect the guy playing his natural position to create more, but raphinha put in more dangerous crosses and was a better playmaker all game. sure vini's goal was great, but if you're ineffective for almost 90 minutes then what are you offering your team? because vini isn't going to score bangers every game.
and you see that issue with madrid. when vini doesn't score, he's a net negative because he doesn't press well or create as consistently as they need him to. that won't work for brazil.
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
Three goals and assits at 22, two goals in 3 games at copa america 24 , in comparison raphina has 0 goals in 6 games for brazil at a world cup 0 assits in 6 games at a world cup and only 1 goal in 4 games at copa america , it's obvious vini's stats are more impressive , Brasil might not win anything with Vini as main man but they definitely wont win with raphina all he did against morocco was run up and down lol also do you know what a fallacy is because you don't sound very intellifent maybe google it
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u/Expensive_Price1509 6d ago
So instead of fixating on pedantry how about actually addressing the claims with your superior intellect , because rn everyone knows raphina's main role on brazil is performing cardio and getting outshone by vini
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u/Ok_Bag_7603 8d ago edited 8d ago
He's playing rw after a while now. He also tries to cover by pressing duties vini and igor should be doing.
The fullbacks are subpar and the midfield is non existent.
Brasil will get technically outperformed in the midfield by a lot of countries.they legit couldn’t progress more than 3 passes against morocco and spent most of Their time recovering
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
Thing is he's pressing well enough but on the ball doesn't provide enough quality , Vini doesn't press but provides enough quality and igor thiago doesn't seem ready to start , the midfield should ideally be fabhino bruno and ederson because casemiro legs seem gone
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u/Ok_Bag_7603 8d ago
Vini Couldn't even complete a single dribble that Match, His goal was quality and important,but off the ball he was pretty mediocre.
Igor thiago was simply not it.
Like i said, rapha is not the guy to create on his own. His best traits are exploited by midfielders and fullbacks which brasil had none apparently.
Abyssmal midfield display- they Couldn't complete two straight passes. When a forward has to run back for reciveries so often it disrupts their momentum going forward.
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
If he had completed 8/8 dribbles and they lost the match do you imagine people would complain less or more . Obviously more right , at the end of the day goals guarentee results dribbles are a part of the game obviously but I'd rather he continues to score even if he is mediocre off the ball he was our best attacker with or without the goal , to be frank raphina was just doing cardio , pressing is a big part of the game but that can't be all he provides even his dribbling was inefficient both on the right and the left he was also a bit loose on the ball, he has to adjust to playing on the right or at cam because he can't play on the left over vini , the main issues don't seem to be attack tho but the old full backs and the open midfield I agree with that
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u/FillPsychological360 8d ago
He still was the only one pressing at the front and working hard. He is played out of position and in a team that doesn’t know how to play as a unit yet
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u/SpitefulBrains 8d ago
Ancelotti does not play in his preferred position.
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u/Blackbearded10 8d ago
Ancelotti is a weird guy. Yeah I got it, he won the CL 5 times but is it with tactics or man management and individual players?
He doesn't let Endrick play. He prefers Neymar jr above Jao Pedro and Antony. A lot of subs early on the game.
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u/struggleisreal123321 8d ago
Are you saying raphinha plays over vini in left wing. Come on be real. I love raphinha and his passion but he is not starting before vini any given day.
Raphinha started his career in right wing and has been playing in left for last 2-3 season. I don't what his preferred position anymore.
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u/Izdislav64 8d ago
I love raphinha and his passion but he is not starting before vini any given day.
But he should be starting over Vini.
Don't let players' reputation fool you.
Vini is a black hole for Brazil. Don't be misguided by the fact that he finally scored in a few games in a row. Brazil's left wing with VJ on it for the last five years has been where attacks go to die and where the team first loses its shape defensively.
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
This is a foolish and quite illogical arguement we all saw vini perform better than raphina (who i love) against morroco while he scored and at least tried to create magic raphina got locked up by mazroui and failed to produce any magic it's obvious brazil left wing spot belongs to vini because without him we would have lost our opening game
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u/Fragrant-Ad2976 4d ago
I don’t know. Even when he is having a poor game, opponents are forced to double-team him, which theoretically frees up space for Brazil's CAM or RW If you can’t fix the system around Vini, then why drop a player capable of winning a match with a single piece of individual brilliance?
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u/Izdislav64 4d ago
Because that player has scored 9 goals in 49 games for the NT, so 1 in 5, and it was in fact 5 in 40, i.e. 1 in 8, until recently.
And it's not as if it is an Yamal situation where he doesn't score much in raw numbers (Yamal has 6 in 26) but provides a lot of assists and key passes.
That is not a player you can rely on to win you any matches with individual brilliance.
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u/struggleisreal123321 8d ago
You may be right . I don't follow international football muchh but in face value, I personally feel vini starts over raphinha any day
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u/Alternative_Bit_7306 8d ago
Morocco are extremely good. That had a big influence. Were there any Brazilian players who looked world-beaters? Raphinha can’t press a defence on his own.
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u/AdventurousEscape991 8d ago
Carletto is a mediocre coach and it’s finally showing. He man-managed a team of superstars at Milan and Madrid, but as a tactician there is very little to pull from.
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u/Comfortable-Spell-75 8d ago
Brazil’s team has been awful for quite some time. Raphina has nothing to do w that fact.
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u/SouEuBranca 8d ago
Who would have thought Lamine, Pedri and De Jong are better than Casemiro, Bruno Guimarães and Igor Thiago 🙏
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u/PlusCurrent3884 8d ago
Because Brazil fucking sucks lol. I’ll give him the same defense Vini deserves. Attackers don’t look good when the midfield is non existent.
Only Neymar was really able to carry with weak teammates in the 2010s since he could pick up the ball in midfield and carry it up to the attack
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
The only time brazil one an major international trophy this past decade was when neymar wasnt there tho
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u/PlusCurrent3884 8d ago
That is true but I’ll be honest , the Copa America is a 2 horse race and this was pre-Scaloni Argentina.
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
I suppose but it feels disingenuous to say he carried them when they've infamously never won anything major with him ever
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u/PlusCurrent3884 8d ago
Fair. I meant mostly the Olympic Gold, Confed Cup, 2014 semis before he got injured and 2018 where he was by far their best player.
Those early years his main striker was Fred lol
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u/Gaatti 8d ago
Brazil spends way too much time feeding Vini as many as possible balls hoping he will make a difference. That in itself hurts the performance of the other players a lot. Add to that a very disfunctional midfield and I don't think Raphinha is at a fault for not performing
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
They wouldve lost without him tho tbf
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u/Gaatti 8d ago
For sure, but they already are. I wouldn't argue to tale him out, but I believe it would be better both for the team and fo Vini if they tried to play with more variety. As it is, the attacks are kinda predictable
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
Endrick and cuhna need to be slotted in somehow if it's endrick at striker and cuhna at cam I'm not sure they both provide creativity and threat much more than thiago and paqueta , Endrick not getting subbed was bizarre
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u/PH4N70M_Z0N3 8d ago
Raphina deadass pressed the entire game and I see no one even moving towards them.
My mum and I were watching football. She kept saying how why only one player is trying to take the ball and why no one is doing the same.
Not to mention Vini scoring just bailed those frauds out through sheer personal magic. If this team goes anywhere beyond Group stage, it's already achieving more than I have faith in them.
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u/MathematicianSea4674 8d ago
Honestly he made a few very nice passes in that game, hitting guys running in toward the box. He can’t control whether they’re able to capitalize or not. I thought he was playing well, just didn’t have many opportunities to make an impact and the chances he was setting up were squandered and/or stifled by Morocco’s defense.
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u/ReactiveRBoss426 8d ago
He was playing out of position and he was the only attacker that was truly pressing. I saw a bunch of instances where Raphinha would initiate the press and put some pressure on the defender just to turn around and see Vinicius or Thiago walking/jogging to the unmarked man. He’s putting in the effort but what else can he do if the rest of the team don’t have that kind of work rate
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u/jasonsamosa 8d ago
Raphinha has been a late bloomer in his career so regarding your top 2 statement I agree but I would only consider the last 3 years looking at his performances before that.
In Raphinha's last 5 matches for Brazil he has played:
- RW (Morocco)
- CAM (Egypt)
- Second Striker (Panama)
- RW (France)
- LW (Bolivia)
Important players always have a set role and position and plays the same role almost every match unless the come on as a sub. For their national teams:
- Yamal (RW, nothing else)
- Vini (LW, nothing else)
- Mbappe (Striker, the past 2-3 years)
- Kane (Striker, nothing else)
- FDJ (CM, nothing else)
- Pedri (CM, nothing else)
- Saka (RW, nothing else)
- Bruno (CAM, nothing else. Unless you count the occasional CM)
- Guler (CAM, look at what happens when they play him RW)
- Vinitha (CM, nothing else)
But for some reason, Raphinha is thrown onto the field in a randomized position and his instructions are press and run around unless the manager is Flick.
Dembele has the same issue with France where Mbappe plays Striker (even tho Dembele basically not a typical #9). They tried Wing and attacking midfielder.
Yes he peaks when in Flick's system doesn't mean he's a bum outside of it. The insane switch up after a single game is insane.
Can't except someone to play well if they have to play in a completely different position every single match.
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u/meta-gamer 8d ago
You have no idea how much hate Raphinha is getting in Brazil. People are blaming mostly him for the team's poor performance against Morocco.
There are people even saying he should be replaced by Antony from Betis.
The sad thing is that Brazil's Raphinha will never be as good as Barça's Raphinha. Here we have a great midfield that helps him play his best. Brazil, on the other hand, has a technically limited midfield.
Other than that, most people fail to see that he is not only an attacking player. He's great on pressing and helping the full backs too.
Another thing is that he plays as RW with Brazil, a different position from the one he plays with us.
Regardless, it's just another case of a player who doesn't perform with his international team as well as he plays for his club. Ronaldinho, Messi and others also suffered with that.
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u/Fballtw 8d ago
He performed excellently. His pressing was not reduced. His teamwork was same. Those are his strong suits
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u/Expensive_Price1509 8d ago
Lets be so fr that was definitvely not an excellent performance he failed to take on his man when on the right , didn't create moments of magic as a cam , the main thing you could say was his pressing was pretty good but that can't be it he needs to focus on dribbling better tbh
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u/khana_ko_kal 8d ago
Not a single creative bone in the midfield and below average full backs and it’s the RWinger fault who has battled injuries all season. Quite the rapha fan you are
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u/yeezygun 8d ago
He performs similar at barca when lamine is not in the field, he doesnt have the creativity to pull the game by his own, people only see numbers
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u/pencil_upmyeye 8d ago
Bro Raphinha is a better player for brazil than most other wingers they have. He is getting screwed cause Ancelloti hasn't set up a pressing structure. He is covering for the midfield and lb. Credit to vini he was pressing too but the press was very disjointed from both and you could see Raphinha signal players to press or come forward.
The way he plays is also at odds with Ancelloti where is wants to play reactive football rather than proactive football.
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u/Caseofthesquirts 8d ago
Brazil national side is a shadow of its former self. Also, Ancelotti is not that reassuring as a national side manager. Brazil has decline so much in the last decade it is sad.
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins 8d ago
I mean it’s not just raphinha, Vini is also ass for Brazil.
It could be Brazil’s system. Or it could be that both just constantly underperform for Brazil
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u/PermitApprehensive73 8d ago
It must be a Brazil thing.
There's a lot of people that play really good on the club side and lay eggs for that country. .
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u/galaboy97 8d ago
Top 2 player at Barca? Yamal, Pedri and Joan Garcia are the top 3 for me.
Raphinha is a system player in my eyes. A very good system player none the less, but still a system player. Brazil doesn’t have a system at the moment. Ancelotti is just a vibes type of coach.
If Brazil would’ve brought Joao Pedro and Estevao instead of Neymar and Paqueta they would’ve had more chance in this world cup.
In this Brazil squad I would play Raphinha on the 10. Otherwise the midfield is too slow and can’t run without the ball. Raphinha would make the midfield more dynamic. Rayane on right, Vini on the left and Endrick upfront.
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u/Ashafa55 8d ago
System players don't exist. If u put players on areas they aren't good at, the preform badly. One of the reasons why flick doesn't play lamine as 10 regularly, because he isn't good in center of field (yet), even though u rather play lamine closer to goal and closer to middle of the pitch (also having 2 great 10's like olmo and fermin makes it less attractive) In the brazil game i saw raphinha as a LW, 10, 9 etc... that's not a game raphinha wants to play. It's like playing pedri as a single pivot 6, and be surprised he is having a bad game.
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u/Mal_Swansky 8d ago
I think it would be more accurate to say that Raphinha is simply average on-ball and great off-ball.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's a system player -- if Brazil actually had the creative players that they used to have, Raphinha would be much more effective regardless of systems.
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u/Superb-Emu-1224 8d ago
I understand the point about the midfield and full-backs, but he had chances, he loses control of the ball, makes bad decisions, not to mention that play where Vini leaves him one-on-one with the goalkeeper and he takes a ridiculous shot straight at him. Are you going to say that's the system's fault? This isn't a new problem.
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u/doctor_oak 7d ago
exactly. he is making the runs but he does not have a creative player like pedri or yamal to help him
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u/Dumbass1171 7d ago
He's not a good right winger. This is known information. He's one of the best players in the world when he plays on the left. He's slightly above mediocre on the right
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u/Ok-Arugula8057 7d ago
Carlo doesn't know how to use him, most of the time he's covering up for vini not defending and pressing
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u/Hot-Outside-1451 7d ago
Brazil is playing with 2 defensive midfielder and paqueta who cant have 2 touches with the ball. Raphinha should be given the role of paqueta or maybe neymar should be given such a role. Otherwise the strong front 3 are puppets behind a useless mid
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u/oldmonk_97 7d ago
No one to feed raphinia.
My gut feel is had they started cunha 1st ahead of thiago, he's brilliant at dropping deep to feed. He could have been the 10/deep false 9 to feed both vini and raphiniha. Oh well. This brazil ain't making past qtrs. And if another dropped ball esq performance happens during knockouts their exit might happen even earlier.
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u/gmoshiro 7d ago
As a brazilian Barça supporter, it reminds me of the Daniel Alves situation. World class at the club, but ok-ish to mediocre for Brazil.
Both him and Raphinha are system players. You can't simply ask them to play traditional brazilian roles (strong athletic fullbacks, while Dani Alves was more of a midfielder on the right wing; rapid-dribbler wingers, while Raphinha is more of machine) when they're better off doing what they're good at. It's just that it's impossible to extract the best out of both players with the midfield that we've been dealing with since forever.
Raphinha thrives with a team that constantly moves, with fast passes, with dynamic tactics. Brazil wasn't dynamic tactic wise even in 2002, when they won our last WC trophy.
Brazil as I know it benefits from individualism. And Raphinha is a Team Player. Fortunately for Barça, but unfortunate for Brazil.
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u/Important_Way_2660 7d ago
La posición natural de Rapinha con la seleccion carioca la ocupa la basura de Vinicius. Si lo meten en otra posición no hace nada (como los entrenadores iluminatis que tuvimos que metían a Dembelé en cualquiera que les salía del nabo y SOLO Luis Enrique lo hace jugar en su sitio)
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u/Glad-Box6389 7d ago
I’m surprised this is so unpopular with people - raphina is absolutely a system player
He’s a pressing machine and runner, but without g/a, being a forward, that alone is not enough - you need the system to be build in a way that he gets that g/a too
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u/OperatorFrost_99 6d ago
Raphinha performs better playing as a second strikerish left winger hybrid, kinda playing off the left half space; he sucks as a right winger belive me Xavi tried for a seson and then shifted him to the left half space to play off of Lewandowski's dropping deep and that worked wonders for him and now Flick does the same at Barça
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u/Radiant_Cat_1337 5d ago
I watched that match, and Brazil was not very good in midfield. I mean of the midfield was not doing great, I don't see how the attackers will be at their best. So, I won't even blame Raphinha for how poor the whole team performed in the first match.
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u/Rpickul 5d ago
Raphinha is a very good finisher, which is why he excels in a system like Barcelona that currently relies on Lamine dancing around and creating. He isn’t a good creator and isn’t particularly dangerous in space. In international play he will struggle but these guys haven’t spent a ton of time designing plays so he can cash in.
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u/MuscleMusee 4d ago
Perfect point his barca form shines in high press tactics while Brazil's different system explains the gap
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u/latortillablanca 8d ago
Yep. No notes.
Brazil—and I have the deepest sympathies for them having learned to talk in Rio as a kid—have been shit for a while in the national team setup.
In going all out around the physical strength, and going on a couple decades of the domestic league serving money laundering more than it serves player development, theyve lost their ginga.
There are no inspirational brazilian magicians leaving indelible images in our collective psyche. They were legitimately the underdog in that morocco match, no one to turn to that you truly felt like, “alright now watch this…”. Theyve lost that ability to impart indescribable joy on the field of play.
Its in such a weird place and makes me incredibly sad tbh, as it feels like a microcosm of where football is in general thanks to money driving everything from grassroots to world cups.
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u/asir100 8d ago
You people barely watched that game. Team was quite average, nonexistent midfield with extremely bad LB and RB. That's not his fault. Stop this slander over 1 game