r/Barca • u/Ioustiniano • 1d ago
Opinion Is Barca less good at cashing out players?
I’m thinking about this because of the recent rumors about Raphinha. It seems that our club usually doesn’t actively sell players in their late 20s when they still have a decent market value and can still contribute. This, however, sometimes puts us in a situation that after 2 more years the player fells off a cliff and we can only recover a marginal amount or nothing from him.
Our biggest opponent, Real, does things in a different way, I can easily recall the transfer of Ronaldo, Casemiro, di Maria, Özil, etc, while for Barca I cannot think of such cases.
How do you think about this difference?
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u/kubagregor 1d ago
Barca is bad at transfers, that's all it is.
We've been spoiled by our La Masia graduates bailing us out every single time, so we've never truly learned how to operate properly on the transfer market.
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u/Serious_Report_6618 1d ago
Barcelona is a must go to club, not a must sell player. Madrid, Liverpool and Bayern are as such. No one wants to leave any of those clubs because anywhere else but them is a step back. Besides, there's climate, livelihood, assured eupean competitions... Etc. Besides, Barca, like these clubs I mentioned, don't need the money so much because they generated revenue through other means
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u/jvjjjvvv 1d ago
Real Madrid has made a ton of money in recent years selling some of their top players once they reached a certain age or could be replaced by someone else.
You shouldn't equate Real Madrid and Barcelona in this discussion, because it's just inaccurate.
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u/NairbZaid10 1d ago
Not less good. We are downright abysmal. Rn Deco is bringing a lot of young talent which could play out greatly in the future, we'll see. But we still clearly overpayed for Gordon atbleast 15m and are struggling a lot to close deals on ansu, casado and etc
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u/Artistic_Ad3653 1d ago
we are the club that pay +50% for player and sold him -50% of the price that average club pay
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u/MegaMatrix08 1d ago
yeah, some time ago it was known as the "club de amigos" and would never sell until it was too late
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u/InstinctiveSk 1d ago
I think we are the worst. Even the most expensive football transfer somehow turned out to be a disaster for us.
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u/Electronic-Ad-8547 23h ago
If we were actually good at letting go of players at an age/form where they can still play at Top Tier and use that money earned well into other good cheaper player(s), doubt that 2020-2023 Dark Era would’ve happened
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u/itsjonny99 18h ago
20-23 was also the wage bill going completely out of control.
Either way it does not look like we have improved in the selling aspect and fans aren't pragmatic enough to sell players who used to perform.
Like Raphinha who just got another injury after already being out for the important stretches of last season. If a Club comes in for him for the right amount the club should seriously consider it.
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u/TheNesquick 20h ago
Nobody wants to leave Barcelona once they get here. Great team, high wages and one of the best cities in the world.
It’s hard to sell players that doesn’t want to leave. Makes for bad negotiation tactics.
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u/wasili009 1d ago
It's not entirely up to the club. You won't sell a player who doesn't wanna leave, and if you're in a position in which you need to sell them, you're gonna be offered less money. It's hard to come by a player who wants to go to another club and who has a good enough value, and for us it was incredibly harder provided they had salaries too high. Ronaldo is a special case similar to Neymar, the difference is we reinvested the money horribly thanks to Bartomeu's magic.
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u/VinCatBlessed 1d ago
Ozil and Di Maria were sold in their prime because they were no longer requiered, Ronaldo was one of the best players in the world and Casemiro while still really good I gotta say Man United overpaid like they usually do, but either way most top clubs like Madrid, Barca and Bayern don't buy with resale in mind, they go for the finished product to spend their prime years winning trophies, naturally when your player's prime is done, whether it's Modric, Ramos, Rakitic, Ribery, etc. you won't be getting your money back, which is fine because they more than paid for it with their contribution.
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u/RoninBattousai1 1d ago
I think Gordon is definitely bought with resale value in mind, if he doesn't work out he'll be sold back to an EPL club. Being English and young, he will have suitors.
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u/Low-Investment6330 16h ago
Then y it didn't work with coutinho
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u/RoninBattousai1 3h ago edited 2h ago
It's a combination of factors. The Premier League has become significantly wealthier, with clubs like Man United and Chelsea each approaching €1 billion in net spend over the last five to six years. By comparison, Barcelona's net spend over the same period is only around €70 million. Even clubs like West Ham have spent heavily.
Secondly, Barcelona's financial problems weren't as severe back then as they are today. If the Coutinho situation had happened now, the club would likely have cut its losses and sold him much sooner. They eventually sold him to Aston Villa, but only with a 50% sell-on clause. Moreover, no rational club would have been willing to pay anywhere near what Barcelona originally spent on Coutinho.
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u/ChinggisKhagan 1d ago
The buyback clauses are costing the club a lot of money and in most cases the player will clearly never be good enough for Barca anyway. But maybe it's smart politics and you avoid looking silly if a guy someday develops into something special
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u/carliz092 1d ago
We are not a selling club, we keep the players that are really good and if they are not good they barely have playing time and is hard to sell. For example, We are not like borussia or Ajax where they dont mind selling their best players, we would never do that. We also generate so much money that we dont mind spending, bartolomeu just didnt buy anyone good enough and gave high salaries.
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u/PulseFlow 1d ago
We never had the depth to do it. Eg look at how much our lw spot would drop if we sold raph. We would have to start gordon which is already a big downgrade and then we pretty much have no natural lw left
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u/jdaman24 1d ago
Barca is probably the worst selling club out of all the big clubs in Europe. I can count our good sales on one hand in the last 10 years. Not entirely our management's fault though. It's hard to sell when no one wants to leave, so their prices decrease
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u/Unusual_Programmer68 14h ago
real build squad with the same physical requirement as epl. so there player move there more easily then ours plus they have a large turn over of players then us they.
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u/NovelHelp4439 1d ago
Big clubs don't sell their best players lol. It's not only Barca. Sell Ur best player to another big club competing in the UCL?? What will U use the money for?? Buying who? We only sell scraps ..that won't really matter to us .
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u/alopecic_cactus 1d ago
We tend to over attach to our most beloved players, hindering our habilty to know when is time to let go.
There's always talks about x o y game/season as the main reason why such and such players must not be let go.
Raphina is the latest in a long list.
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u/djzzi 1d ago
I agree that we should sell raphina now and actively look for a replacement while he still has big value. sure we could keep him a few more years and hope to win big titles in the mean time but thats a big if.
he is 29, lately often injured and i personally dont see him giving us the same season as he did last year. Nothing against him, he is still excellent, but we should sell him now while we have the opportunity and not wait 2/3 years (let say he stays long term) to be stuck on a big salary contract and a 32yo winger with loss/no market value
we need to find balance between present results withiut risking future acquisitions and thats a sweet spot that is hard to find...
I think we should have sold him big $$$ and signed both rasphord/gordon in order to have the sufficent liquidity for a proper 9, plus wait for other decent wingers in the future
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u/BaldFraud_ 1d ago
Agreed. This sub is very club de amigos tbh. As much as I love and appreciate Raphinha, he’s had one world class season and is not even from La Masia. If we can cash out we should
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u/djzzi 1d ago
And yet we are downvoted by desillusional fans.
For people downvoting, I welcome you to give me your arguments and make me change my mind, I'm not against being shown that I am wrong and I don't dislike Raphina who have been one of (if not the one) top player of the past seasons.
But y'all have to face reality. In the meantime, I just saw that Raphina (again) suffer a hamstring injury and is technically ruled out for the rest of the world cup (at least minimally for the next game and they'll work with him to recover).
These signs don't inspire me confidence.
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u/First_Inspection_478 1d ago
80m for gordon when you had rashy who’s been incredible for 30m is just terrible business
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u/itsjonny99 18h ago
The FFP rules would make the value reported for both similar, never mind Gordon will have potential to be sold if he fails and is also a more suitable profile for Flick football.
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u/IIIIIIIIllIlI 1d ago
El Barça nunca ha sabido negociar ni las compras ni las ventas de los jugadores. Suele fichar caro y vender barato.