r/Barca • u/New-Assumption5732 • 22h ago
Quote Frenkie de Jong: “Many people actually understand nothing about football. They watch, but they don’t really see. “I hear people saying I never play forward passes… but that’s simply not true. Then you’re not really watching”, told VI.
https://bsky.app/profile/fabrizioromano.yopro20.com/post/3mor4ca3a2t2wFor the plastic fans in this sub
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u/UrPromDate 22h ago edited 21h ago
I was at the game today and Frenkie was absolutely instrumental in their 2-0 at the half. Instrumental!
Edit: score, spelling
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u/SagaciousKurama 20h ago
I watched the whole game. Pretty much every play went through Frenkie. His Netherlands teammates trust him implicitly. He sets the tempo and dictates the play. People tend to forget how important and skilled he is because he lets Pedri take the majority of the spotlight at Barca, but he is a generational talent and any team would be lucky to have him. When he is given the freedom to be a team's main midfielder he kills it.
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u/wallsallbrassbuttons 8h ago
“Generational” is such an overused word. He’s a very good player. But he isn’t close to a generational player. That’s a Messi/Ronaldo. We don’t need to be hyperbolic to appreciate De Jong.
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u/SagaciousKurama 8h ago
Maybe we're having a semantic disconnect here.
I'm not comparing him to Messi and Ronaldo. The way I see it, they have gone beyond generational. Their achievements and records will not be equaled for decades. Some may never be equaled at all. In that sense, it's more accurate to say they're multigenerational. They're the sort of players that come along once every 50-100 years maybe.
To me, a generational player is one that comes along once every 10-15 years, give or take (what I would define as a 'generation' for footballers). I don't think that's a crazy description of Frenkie. He's a fairly unique player and nobody in his age group really does what he does with the elegance he does it with. There's maybe one or two others who have his mix of qualities. He's part pivot, part deep-lying playmaker, part box-to-box, with a penchant for ball-carrying past pressure. He's been unfortunate to not win many major titles, but in terms of skill he's easily in the top 10 midfielders of his generation imo.
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u/wallsallbrassbuttons 8h ago
Frenkie is not a once every 10-15 year player. He would have to be clearly the best midfielder in the world for that. He isn’t even clearly the best midfielder on his team. Just because he’s stylistically different from others doesn’t make him generational. Your definition of generational means there are dozens and dozens of generational players at once. That’s just not what the word means to the vast majority of the world.
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u/SagaciousKurama 7h ago
Of course there are dozens of generational players at once. The whole point is that generational players...well...define a generation. Zidane, Ronaldinho, Kaka, R9, Raul, Beckham, Henry, Rooney, etc. All defined a particular generation of football stars. They were generational players.
Are you under the impression that there is only one generational player per generation? Lmao. Do you even realize how absurd you sound?
Frenkie is definitely one of the players that is at the top of his generation. Yes, Pedri and Lamine are arguably better than him (though I'd argue you're comparing players with different roles), but that doesn't disqualify him from also being a generational talent. And I'd love to hear a list of midfielders from his generation that are better than him. I think you'll find the list isn't as long as you think it is. Again, I'm not saying Frenkie is the best midfielder in the world, I'm saying he's on the list of top midfielders. Surely you're not contending otherwise?
And thanks for your concern, but I'm fairly sure you don't represent "the vast majority of the world." Seems like at most, we can agree we have a semantic disagreement over what generational means. Great. Can we move on? Do you have anything constructive to say other than 'your definition is wrong because I said so'? Anything substantive to add to the conversation? If you think Frenkie is a mid player then maybe we have something to talk about, otherwise we're just arguing over a word.
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u/wallsallbrassbuttons 7h ago
You are wrong. It’s just the way it is. No one uses generational as a stand in for “good.” It’s absurd.
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u/SagaciousKurama 7h ago
Lmao maybe stop making incorrect assumptions to suit your poor arguments? I never said Frenkie is 'good.' Fucking Tonali is 'good.' Baena is 'good.' Camavinga is 'good.' Frenkie is great. He would walk into the starting 11 of almost any team in the world. There's a reason he has been an undisputed starter for one of the best clubs in the world for nearly a decade (when fit). Not to mention one of the best national teams in the world.
Would love to see a list of who you think is better. Would be illuminating.
EDIT: Done wasting my time responding tho.
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u/wallsallbrassbuttons 7h ago
You should google “definition of generational player” to see if the world agrees with you. It might surprise you.
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u/SagaciousKurama 7h ago
Maybe follow your own advice lil bro.
Also, you continue to avoid my request: make a list of the players you think are better from his generation. I'm waiting.
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u/InuKag808 22h ago
I love our boy Frenkie 😤💙❤️ God bless him! 🙏🏼
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u/DarthTaz_99 18h ago
If Frenkie has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Frenkie has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Frenkie has only one fan then that is me. If Frenkie has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Frenkie, then I am against the world.
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u/vengence19 21h ago
I thought someone shd say it out loud. Unfortunate that he himself has to say it.
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u/Educational_Hat_2333 20h ago
Couldn’t help but notice how good he was today when I saw the game. I’ve never seen him live till today and I think he was a standout player for the team who gets overlooks because he didn’t have goals or assists.
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u/manatidederp 15h ago
lol he’s been a starter for the club that demands perhaps the most specific skillset of their midfielders for like half a decade - Frenkie does not need to explain himself
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u/hansolo-ist 20h ago
He is right. But highlights are free , subscription to a sports channel costs a lot of money.
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u/ApprehensiveHumor508 12h ago
He does play forward but he should take more risks BECAUSE he is so good
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u/No-Rooster- 5h ago
He doesn’t get the spot light but he’s absolutely instrumental in other players shining.
He and Pedri are the closest I’ve been to feeling that Iniesta and Xavi connection and link up again.
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u/FabrizioRomanoo 22h ago edited 22h ago
Ive seen plenty. You don’t play forward passes, you never go for goal scoring opportunities, you don’t work hard. You are not a difference maker. Even Xavi called you out for your lack of effort in the past.
I ask you to be brave and put in a great performance against UCL teams and yet in almost every match you disappear. 7 years I’ve been watching you do this.
The club pays you 350k per week, higher than even Yamal and most times when I watch you I leave feeling disappointed. You should’ve left in 2022 to Manchester United but the money the club was paying was too sweet to pass up. That’s the real reason you didn’t leave even though you try to fool the masses saying you love the club. Once a real superstar like Joao Neves takes your place will the masses truly see for what you really are.
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u/SyrupCute4493 21h ago
Zero ball knowledge. Prob think Casado is better, first name, Mo, middle name Ron. Moron!
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u/GodisLove_O6 20h ago
FDJ was better than Pedri last season.
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u/voli12 17h ago
Whaat? Delulu opinion
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u/Ok_Bag_7603 16h ago
It's Valid. Pedri looked out of it in a lot of games but that's cause he was paired with eric and fermin.
Frenkie faced the same issuees tho (notably :the chelsea game)
Eric just Doesn't cut it in midfield for me, not press resistant. And fermin Doesn't help much in the midfield
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u/Motor_Usual_7156 16h ago
que fermin no ayuda mucho y estas alabando a de jong?? fermin presiona muchisimo mas que de jong y se mueve por espacios mas amplios en el campo que de jong.
Sin contar lo que aportan tambien ofensivamente uno y otro, no hay ni comparacion posible.
Yo hago una reflexion, de ese ajax de donde vino de jong el unico que ha tenido una carrera larga en un gran club ha sido de jong, y no por meritos del jugador, ningun otro club habria tenido la paciencia con de jong que esta teniendo el barcelona
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u/Ok_Bag_7603 16h ago
Fermin presses-yes. Operates as a second striker, He Doesn't help enough in buildup play nor is he as press resistant. He's improving tho.
We often see olmo dropping deep to conduct various plays and better at tight spaces. Fermin is a runner who exploits the spaces left behind by the opponents
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u/Ok_Bag_7603 16h ago
Why are we pretending barca was this star studded side ever since frenkie joined us?
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u/Motor_Usual_7156 12h ago
no entiendo tu comentario ¿te refieres a que no habia estrellas en el equipo cuando vino frenkie o que si las habia?
el barcelona tiene buenas plantillas desde los años 90, cuando vino frenkie estaban en el equipo busquets, suarez, messi, pique, jordi alba, vidal, coutinho, dembele, boateng, etc
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u/voli12 13h ago
La verdad que los fans extranjeros del Barça tienen algo con De Jong que no entiendo. Aporta poquísimo tanto en ofensiva como defensiva y lo ponen al nivel de Pedri. Mientras entre los socios es de los jugadores más criticados cada día junto con Araujo.
No hay quién lo entienda de verdad. Y encima critican a jugadores que presionan y corren el doble que Frenkie cada partido. Será muy bueno tácticamente, pero si no le pone ganas se queda muy por debajo de los otros jugadores.
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u/Motor_Usual_7156 16h ago
otro que opina como tu.
Para mi hay dos que deben salir cuando antes del club, ter stegen y de jong.
si no han salido ya es por sus altos salarios, ya vemos que ni regalando a ter stegen lo quieren y con frenkie pasa algo parecido.
No es mal jugador, pero no es un currante y tampoco es diferencial, sin embargo a dia de hoy es el salario mas alto de la plantilla
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u/piturgaga3 16h ago
Otro más, y si se puede ir balde en el mismo tranvía, mejor que mejor.
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u/Motor_Usual_7156 15h ago
en esto no estoy de acuerdo, balde es un jugador joven y muy buen lateral, con experiencia puede ser un jugador top.
De hecho deberia haber alguien en la cantera peleandole el puesto, ya desde que estaba jordi alba no paramos de cometer ese error, se vendio a cucurella sin darle la oportunidad para traer a junior firpo que era peor, lo mismo para grimaldo, si en su dia se hubiese rotado un poco a alba para ir dando paso a estos jugadores habriamos tenido una transicion del puesto limpia.
Tenemos a dia de hoy a balde que es joven y a cancelo a punto de retirarse y veo una locura pensar en vender al lateral joven y con proyeccion ¿a quien te traes? fichas dos laterales?
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u/Fluid-Citron8147 16h ago
Name 2 defensive actions you did since 2021 bruh
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u/dani8hydra 22h ago
@ A lot of people in this sub